Supporting loader when under

[ruger1980]

Either a stand or cylinder lock will work and is the proper way to support the loader whenever working on the tractor with the loader arms in the air.

One thing I would recommend is to remove the bucket if you have a quick attach and rolling the bucket cylinders to the dump position especially if a pin on bucket. I have seen them fall or creep down when in the air.

 

[edritchey]

SOME loaders come off easily!
My L48 TLB loader only comes off with time and wrenches, and there is no safety latch as shown on the Case 580M in post #5.

I get what you're saying I have a M59 and some other machines with loaders that I never would even consider taking the loader off of but I think the OP was referring to one of his BX machines either of which I would think would be doable.

 

[Henro]

My vote is for the cylinder lock approach, with one on each cylinder and secured properly.

Having trouble seeing why this would not be the safest way.

A support below the loader could be knocked out of place somehow, and whatever a chain is attached to, holding the loader up, might fail. YES, I know this is unlikely. BUT for comparison purposes, if cylinder locks are in place and secured so they cannot be bumped off the cylinder rods, it just seems like this is the most secure way to guarantee safety.

That being said, there are not real guarantees in life, we just maximize our chances.

At the end of the day though, all the possibilities of immediate danger only seem come into play if the loader hydraulics has a catastrophic failure.

But guaranteed some loader will have a catastrophic failure somewhere, sometime. But even though the odds are against this happening, people win the lotto too. Can't be too safe...

 

[FTG-05]

Will check it out, tks.

" Protects against loader dropping from hydraulic leaks/accidental lever engagement "

" These stops won’t prevent them from coming down in the event of mechanical failure or an accidental bumping of joystick/hydraulic controls. "

Which is it ATM???

 

[TheOldHokie]

" Protects against loader dropping from hydraulic leaks/accidental lever engagement "

" These stops won’t prevent them from coming down in the event of mechanical failure or an accidental bumping of joystick/hydraulic controls. "

Which is it ATM???

The cylinder locks only secure the boom. My interpretation of the second comment is a reference to the implement cylinders - e,g in the event of a hydraulic failure oar accidental operation of the control valve the bucket, pallet forks, grapple, etc can still "dump" and hit you or perhaps catch you in a pinch point. If you put the implement in the full dump position that danger is removed. The potential for a catastrophic mechanical failure (e.g. collapse) of the loader itself is about the same as my porch falling on me when I am working underneath it.

Dan

 

[Mark_BX25D]

That being said, there are not real guarantees in life, we just maximize our chances.

/sigh/

I wish more people could get this obvious truth through their thick skulls. I get tired of hearing things like this:

"Mah buddy Carl wore his seat belt religiously, and it trapped him in his car when he hit that tanker truck! Them seat belts is plum' DANGEROUS, I'm tellin' ya!!!"


Please note that this comment is not directed at anyone in particular, it's just a general rant.

 

[ruger1980]

" Protects against loader dropping from hydraulic leaks/accidental lever engagement "

" These stops won’t prevent them from coming down in the event of mechanical failure or an accidental bumping of joystick/hydraulic controls. "

Which is it ATM???

If you are going to quote something please provide a complete quote and not remove some of the context.

"Important: Always remove front loader attachments when servicing the tractor! These stops won’t prevent them from coming down in the event of mechanical failure or an accidental bumping of joystick/hydraulic controls."

 

[ACDII]

The loaders come off so easy I'd rather just drop the loader and not take any chances.

This, a few minutes of work can save a lifetime of pain and suffering. How much time would be spent securing the cylinders with angle iron and straps? How much time would be spent chaining the bucket? The FEL is not that hard to remove, pull two pins to drop the park arms, lower it and rotate the bucket, then pull the pins, release it from the tractor, shut it off and depressurize, then unhook the hydraulics. Start it up and pull away, Time spent, 2 minutes.

 

[RalphVa]

Have never removed a loader on any of the 3 JDs since 2004. Don't expect to ever do it on the B2601. Its access to engine stuff is better than the 2025R's. For the fuel filter, you can remove the filter carrier with a single bolt to make putting it back on easier.

 

[fried1765]

This, a few minutes of work can save a lifetime of pain and suffering. How much time would be spent securing the cylinders with angle iron and straps? How much time would be spent chaining the bucket? The FEL is not that hard to remove, pull two pins to drop the park arms, lower it and rotate the bucket, then pull the pins, release it from the tractor, shut it off and depressurize, then unhook the hydraulics. Start it up and pull away, Time spent, 2 minutes.

"The FEL is not that hard to remove".
Blanket statements are usually unwise!

Come on over, and try to remove my L48 loader.
I'll bet you can't do it in less than 45 minutes!

 

[ACDII]

Nothing some Primacord can't fix.

 

[TheOldHokie]

"The FEL is not that hard to remove".
Blanket statements are usually unwise!

Come on over, and try to remove my L48 loader.
I'll bet you can't do it in less than 45 minutes!

I bet I can have two jackstands under it about 60 seconds after you pull it into my shop.

Dan

 

[jyoutz]

The cylinder locks only secure the boom. My interpretation of the second comment is a reference to the implement cylinders - e,g in the event of a hydraulic failure oar accidental operation of the control valve the bucket, pallet forks, grapple, etc can still "dump" and hit you or perhaps catch you in a pinch point. If you put the implement in the full dump position that danger is removed. The potential for a catastrophic mechanical failure (e.g. collapse) of the loader itself is about the same as my porch falling on me when I am working underneath it.

Dan

Does the joystick lock do anything other than lock the joystick?

 

[TheOldHokie]

Does the joystick lock do anything other than lock the joystick?

I don know but from the brief look I had while working on my LA525 I believe it is just a mechanical interlock that immobilizes the spool linkages..

Dan

 

[jyoutz]

I don know but from the brief look I had while working on my LA525 I believe it is just a mechanical interlock that immobilizes the spool linkages..

Dan

That’s my thoughts too. Still is does prevent accidental movement of the joystick.

 

[TheOldHokie]

That’s my thoughts too. Still is does prevent accidental movement of the joystick.

Absolutely. I would imagine that is the express purpose of the device.

Dan

 

[NCL4701]

Does the joystick lock do anything other than lock the joystick?

I know on my LA765 it is a simple mechanical block that prevents movement of the joystick and nothing else. Not saying that’s universal to all loaders. Certainly useful for some things but not useful for working under the loader.

 

[FTG-05]

If you are going to quote something please provide a complete quote and not remove some of the context.

"Important: Always remove front loader attachments when servicing the tractor! These stops won’t prevent them from coming down in the event of mechanical failure or an accidental bumping of joystick/hydraulic controls."

And where is that limiting verbiage in his initial statement?

Go read the ad, where is the limiting language in his "protects" statement.

 

[fried1765]

I bet I can have two jackstands under it about 60 seconds after you pull it into my shop.

Dan

I too am sure that you could position two jackstands under it 60 seconds after I pulled it into your shop.
But the issue here is: ..... that you absolutely could NOT have the loader disconnected, and resting on those jackstands in 60 seconds!
The L48 loader is NOT a quick disconnect loader, as is also the case with the M59, M62, and some others!
The loader buckets on these machines may, or may not, be quick disconnect.

 

[NCL4701]

I too am sure that you could position two jackstands under it 60 seconds after I pulled it into your shop.
But the issue here is: ..... that you absolutely could NOT have the loader disconnected, and resting on those jackstands in 60 seconds!
The L48 loader is NOT a quick disconnect loader!

I’m thinking that’s why there are a variety of solutions to the problem utilized by different operators.

Some, such as me, have loaders that are practical to simply remove. We remove and reinstall often enough the process becomes very quick and easy. Removal is a viable option for those type loaders in addition to the options for loaders which are not practical to remove.

Some loaders, such as yours, are not practical to remove. Some operators of quick attach loader machines never remove the loader or don’t have an acceptable place to remove it so remove/reinstall is prohibitively daunting for them. For those loaders and situations, removal is not a viable option. The options mentioned in this thread other than removal; tall jacks, chaining to an adequate overhead structure, or hydraulic cylinder sleeve type blocks would be more appropriate for working under a loader such as yours.

Regardless whether your loader is practical to remove or not, if lifted to gain access for service, it must be mechanically supported to create a safe working environment due to severity of bodily injury in the unlikely, but occasional, event of a catastrophic hydraulic failure. To me, it’s no different than working under a vehicle without jack stands, blocks, or some other redundant mechanical support device.

That said, I fully admit that is my opinion based on my experience with sudden catastrophic failure of hydraulic devices supporting loads over my person which would have severely injured or killed me but for adequate mechanical redundant devices. I am not your father or wife or boss so if you choose to work under your loader supported solely by the machine’s hydraulics because the loader is impractical to remove (or any other reason) and you don’t wish to employ any other alternatives to secure it, I certainly wish you well and hope your loader never crushes you.