Solar farm and a tornado

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Doesn't seem cost effective to me.

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The storm's ferocious winds tore through the Lake Placid Solar Power Plant in Highlands County, leaving 97 percent of the county without power in the immediate aftermath.


Incredible aerial footage by Duke Energy shows the extent of destruction to the $100 million facility that powers 12,000 homes.
The plant opened in December 2019.
 
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Hail has destroyed many solar farms also. I can't imagine that hazardous waste cleanup cost.
 
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Yeah, green energy is going to have some growing pains. I wonder how long the outage will be.
 

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cleanup cost ? NOTHING... just use the SAVINGS from having gone 'green' ! :rolleyes:

nice job would be to cut the grass there.....;)

they just have to post 'HAZMAT warning signs every 50', condemn the entire area, add armed guards and dogs 24/7....:rolleyes:
 
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I'm not a fan of using large plots of land for solar panels.... Windmills either.
Nothing ruins a beautiful scenic mountain range worse than miles of clear cut and windmills.

now that said,
I do have solar panels on the back side of my home.

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I couldn't be happier....
 
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I'd like to know how many KWh you use and generate.
The $15 you made won't pay for the 'paperwork' cost of my bill....
I don't have the bill handy .... But last year during the summer my bill was $400
over $100 of that is a "public benefit fee" ... enter SOCIALISM here...

anyway the system went live end of November... first couple months we had a small bill
due to the short days of winter / less sunlight.
last month was $53 as seen on the bill. This month $0.00

summer / longer days is when you start to accumulate KWH credits... and hopefully will carry me through next winter.... We will see.

My buddy has had his system for 7 years... No electric bill

Here is a live snapshot from my App. 9:29 AM

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The amount (if any) and type of hazardous material in a solar panel depends on the type of panel. They aren't water soluble so clean up would be pretty easy.
We are 100% solar. In the last year, we are -380 kWh because of all the snow we got. It cost us $16 a month to keep the place connected to the grid. The RECs we can sell cover that 3 times over.
This billing period we have generated 1.5 times what we have used.

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An editorial from a local paper.


Bob Lonsberry

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UPSTATE IS A SOLAR GHETTO

I live in a solar ghetto.

South of our town, toward the next village, down maybe a dozen miles of two-lane road,

they’re putting them in, left and right. Bulldozing the fields, laying the cables, pouring the

concrete. On lands where the Senecas grew the three sisters, and which have sustained

family farms since the early 1800s, it’s all going away, the greens and the golds and the

flowers in their seasons.

No more corn, no more beans, no more horses in their pastures.

Just rows and rows of solar panels, the ranks and files of an invading army, the strip mining

of our day, rural America put to death to satisfy the politics of people far away.

They’re a welfare scam.

They’ll never generate a profitable kilowatt of power. They will never sustain themselves in

the marketplace. They will never be a source of consequential electricity.

They are a way to milk tax credits out of the government, to partner with the politicians who

spin tales of climate change to cripple our economy and strip our freedoms. The money

comes from the taxpayer, the damage is done to our countryside. It is an odd mix of

colonialism and virtue signaling.

The metastasizing of arrogance and oppression, the destroying of a countryside and a culture.

For nothing. All for nothing.

Upstate New York lies near 43 degrees north latitude, meaning the sun is at an angle ill suited

for the generation of electricity, and that the sun’s light must pass obliquely through the

atmosphere, further diminishing its power. In addition, most of upstate New York will

experience, in an average year, 61 clear days, 104 partly cloudy days and 200 completely

cloudy days.

Also, it snows, and snow accumulates on solar panels, rendering them inoperative.

That’s why solar farms in upstate New York typically generate over the course of a year far

less than 20% of their capacity, with the winter months often generating in the low single

digits of capacity.

And that is part of an American economy-choking effort that last year saw China increase its

carbon dioxide production from coal burning alone some five times more than the United

States cut its carbon dioxide production from all sources.

What all of that means is that New York solar farms accomplish nothing.

They generate negligible amounts of electricity, and they do not reduce the world’s supply of

greenhouse gasses.

Further, solar farms are using land that is already helping reduce carbon dioxide. An acre of

corn, for example, the most common crop grown on upstate New York land, absorbs 38,000

pounds of carbon dioxide a year, and an acre of brush or forest absorbs between 4.5 and 40.7

tons of carbon dioxide a year. The natural green hills and valleys of New York are – left alone

– excellent, God-given protectors of the climate.

Further, those natural acres sustain wildlife and biodiversity in a way fenced and closecropped solar arrays don’t. Solar farms are biologically sterile, fenced off to exclude deer and

other mammals, and they aren’t allowed to grow into the meadows that feed pollinators and

provide insect life to sustain bird populations. They are the cause of a silent spring. From a

plant and animal sustainability standpoint, a solar farm is about the same as a paved parking

lot.

The only thing green about them is the taxpayer money going into the pockets of out-of-state

companies and Chinese manufacturers. A society that demands ethically produced coffee is

fine with an energy system that sends little African kids into pit mines. Politicians who decry

suburban sprawl demand the bulldozing of vast stretches of the rural countryside. Green

energy is the blood diamonds of our day.

And in upstate New York it forever removes from production the farm land which is the

lifeblood of both our culture and our economy. It forever deranges the archeological

reminders of Native America, the arrowheads turned up every spring in the plowing and the

subtle traces of camp and village bulldozed to put in solar panels that will be obsolete and

abandoned in a decade.

Obsolete and abandoned in a decade, but standing for centuries as a reminder of the

arrogance of our day and the permanence of the desecration of our land.

The holdings of Mary Jemison and her adopted people are falling victim, as solar arrays scar

the land alongside what used to be the most popular state park in America, monstrosities

displacing natural beauty.

That’s the reality of solar power in rural upstate New York.

And yet thousands and thousands of acres of some of the most productive and beautiful

agricultural land in the world are being desecrated to put in solar farm after solar farm,

destroying both the past and the future of rural upstate New York.

That’s what happens when you are poor and have no political power.

And the people who rule over you are bastards.

Bob Lonsberry © 20
 

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A solar company wants to put a farm on 440 acres less than 2 miles from me. It's farmland, but not prime land. Their pitch is that 0 concrete footings will be installed, native trees and shrubs will be planted along the 200' setback perimeter, the land will be grazed by sheep to reduce mowing needs, the plant will be decommissioned in 40 years and the land then goes to a permanent conservation easement.
I'm on the fence, but it's better than 40 homes or a damned data center.
 
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Why can't they just put the solar farms in the same area as the wind farms and put all of the ugly together?

I thought about using a few solar panels to charge a battery bank that would serve as a power source for short outages. Running on solar all of the time requires far too much of an expenditure up front and if there are no failures takes 20 years or so to break even.
 
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A solar company wants to put a farm on 440 acres less than 2 miles from me. It's farmland, but not prime land. Their pitch is that 0 concrete footings will be installed, native trees and shrubs will be planted along the 200' setback perimeter, the land will be grazed by sheep to reduce mowing needs, the plant will be decommissioned in 40 years and the land then goes to a permanent conservation easement.
I'm on the fence, but it's better than 40 homes or a damned data center.
My neighbors used to live there and are (were) friends with the owner of the 440 acres. His main motivation for turning it into a solar farm (which he tried to do quietly during Covid) is he stands to be taxed HEAVELY if he sells the property via capital gains. His dad did a straight trade with some doctors back in the 80's for the property. His dad gave them a half-acre lot in Arlington, they gave him the 440+ acres. Since then his son has sold off all the timber, leased it to a sod farm, subdivided off a few acres, etc. I'd like it to stay farmland, I hate the look of a solar field. It's chocked full of wildlife, ducks unlimited put ponds on it, there are stocked ponds on it too. Put pannels on the data centers, parking garages, etc...We get plenty of severe weather threats our way, which doesn't seem like an ideal environment for large-scale adoption. I'd like to know who is going to enforce the conservation easement in 40 years when no one who knows that was the case is around. But honestly, whatever keeps more houses from being built our way.
 
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I'm a couple hours south of @Tughill Tom. Very rural. We have quite a few solar farms cropping up. Many on former farm ground.

An hour west of us', there seems to be a bunch of them all over with more planned.

While I won't get into any pro/con or political commentary, I'm curious how the industry may/could change with change of administration in Washington as others eluded. Much is apparently driven by public subsidies/credits, etc.
 
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My neighbors used to live there and are (were) friends with the owner of the 440 acres. His main motivation for turning it into a solar farm (which he tried to do quietly during Covid) is he stands to be taxed HEAVELY if he sells the property via capital gains. His dad did a straight trade with some doctors back in the 80's for the property. His dad gave them a half-acre lot in Arlington, they gave him the 440+ acres. Since then his son has sold off all the timber, leased it to a sod farm, subdivided off a few acres, etc. I'd like it to stay farmland, I hate the look of a solar field. It's chocked full of wildlife, ducks unlimited put ponds on it, there are stocked ponds on it too. Put pannels on the data centers, parking garages, etc...We get plenty of severe weather threats our way, which doesn't seem like an ideal environment for large-scale adoption. I'd like to know who is going to enforce the conservation easement in 40 years when no one who knows that was the case is around. But honestly, whatever keeps more houses from being built our way.
The one I believe you are referencing is on the other side of the airport. I remember all the hullabaloo with that one.
The one I'm talking about is off of Rogues Rd/ Timbuktu Ln. The existing farmer is a multi generation farmer. He wants to keep it, farm it (grazing) and stay there. If I recall the solar people are Almeda.
 

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The one I believe you are referencing is on the other side of the airport. I remember all the hullabaloo with that one.
The one I'm talking about is off of Rogues Rd/ Timbuktu Ln. The existing farmer is a multi generation farmer. He wants to keep it, farm it (grazing) and stay there. If I recall the solar people are Almeda.
You are correct, my bad! Yea, I've seen Almeda's name pop up on the local community threads and such.
 

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They put one on an old dump up by me. I have been playing with solar the last couple months and finding there will never be pay back for the investment. We went 12 days in a row January with zero sun and constant snow. With electricity rates gone from 14 cents a KWH to 25 cents a KWH in the last couple months (basically jumped big time after the smart meter was installed in Jan) I am going to invest some more now. The battery capacity in the north east is the most expensive part. My vampire drain from all the smart crap, pcs, chargers, lights on appliances, and power bricks is over 4KW a day. That really surprised me. That little stuff adds up quickly when you're trying to size batteries.
 
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You are correct, my bad! Yea, I've seen Almeda's name pop up on the local community threads and such.
Oh, no bad at all. It's hard to keep up with them all!!
I like their approach. I like the project plans (setbacks, permanent conservation, etc). I like it better than Cloud HQ or Amazon. I'd rather have farmland, but someone will build something there eventually.
 

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In my area an individual wants to cash in on the power scams by building a large pump storage facility. It will destroy much farmland and kick out the rightful owners of the property. Pump storage is nothing more than a giant storage battery for the wind and solar farms so they can bank power when the wind isn't blowing or the sun isn't shining. We can only hope that the day comes when grants, subsidies, rebates and tax credits are dumped on the trash heap of history and people provide for themselves.
 

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They put one on an old dump up by me. I have been playing with solar the last couple months and finding there will never be pay back for the investment. We went 12 days in a row January with zero sun and constant snow. With electricity rates gone from 14 cents a KWH to 25 cents a KWH in the last couple months (basically jumped big time after the smart meter was installed in Jan) I am going to invest some more now. The battery capacity in the north east is the most expensive part. My vampire drain from all the smart crap, pcs, chargers, lights on appliances, and power bricks is over 4KW a day. That really surprised me. That little stuff adds up quickly when you're trying to size batteries.
We don't have many tax credits and rebates here, so pricing out a system for the roof with no batteries gave me a 20-year payoff assuming I did all of the installation myself. Paying a company to do it would double the costs for me and it'd never pay itself off as none of the equipment would last that long. I'd like to be less dependent on the power grid, but it doesn't make financial sense around here.
 
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