RTV K-Connect and Blower

ItBmine

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this... On tractors, the alignment of the dogs can vary as you lift the blower

Isn't correct IF the drawings I've seen here years ago, from the install manuals are correct.
the dogclutch is on the blower side of the pivot point where the Ujoint is. Once engaged, the clutch can't move,physically impossible.
I spent a lot of time looking into this and concluded it's the actual $700 dogclutches of dubious quality. Every picture I've seen show a 3 tooth dog with maybe 50% overlap compared to a $100 Lovejoy that has 4 teeth and 100% overlap.You've got up to 20HP coming from the PTO, so you need proper parts.
That's what I'd like to see, the actual 'connection' between tractor and blower
Well I'm not taking my blower off until spring, but while we're on the subject of things Kubota and/or RAD can improve is why don't they put swivels on the 4 hydraulic lines for the chute and deflector? I realigned everything better than dealer did, but still when you rotate chute all those hydraulic lines have to twist because they are all solid fittings.
 

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Can't seem to post videos, but here is a screen shot of what I was just doing. 20 inch deep and packed because it was blown there with my tractor when it was wet. I was worried about it being underpowered, but seems to do just fine.
 

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this... On tractors, the alignment of the dogs can vary as you lift the blower

Isn't correct IF the drawings I've seen here years ago, from the install manuals are correct.
the dogclutch is on the blower side of the pivot point where the Ujoint is. Once engaged, the clutch can't move,physically impossible.
I spent a lot of time looking into this and concluded it's the actual $700 dogclutches of dubious quality. Every picture I've seen show a 3 tooth dog with maybe 50% overlap compared to a $100 Lovejoy that has 4 teeth and 100% overlap.You've got up to 20HP coming from the PTO, so you need proper parts.
That's what I'd like to see, the actual 'connection' between tractor and blower
Looked at mine today when I was greasing it. The dog clutch does not move when you raise and lower blower. It's mounted solid and there is a driveshaft with 2 u-joints that go to it and that is where the pivot is.
So if it does fail, it is indeed because it is not of good quality material.
 

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Thanks for the 'in person - eyeball' report !!! You do confirm the dog clutch does NOT move so it has to be the pisspoor design, material choice that cause the failures.
 

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Thanks for the 'in person - eyeball' report !!! You do confirm the dog clutch does NOT move so it has to be the pisspoor design, material choice that cause the failures.
Do you have any recollection of a failure on an RTV with the Kubota snowblower? I certainly don't! You have turned into a keyboard warrior coming up with conclusions that have no validity in reality.
 
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ItBmine

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The person that helped me in my purchase decision bought his in 2020 and is in big snow country, and clears a good size area and has replaced nothing but shear bolts. So if I have that same luck I'll be happy.
And I'm sure I will be alright. I only engage and disengage my PTO's at idle and my blower will stay on for the whole season, not be taken on and off constantly.
 

GreensvilleJay

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Do you have any recollection of a failure on an RTV with the Kubota snowblower? I certainly don't! You have turned into a keyboard warrior coming up with conclusions that have no validity in reality.


re: RTV/blower failures. NO, but then RTVs aren't of interest to me

My conclusions about the dog clutch failures is based upon 100s of posts here documenting the failures, downloading the various installation manuals/documents from Kubota, looking at several pictures people hear have posted,along with online research into low power ( 20HP ) dog clutches. I've also designed/built several machines using this style mechanical coupling over the past 6 decades, none of which experience the failure people show in their posts. I do have a neighbour with a BX2380/blower BUT in 5 years he has <40 hours on it, <4 actually blowing snow. If ( ? ) we ever get some serious snow,it'll be interesting to see if he calls me as machine is no longer under warranty.

The quick ,easy 'reality check' is to confirm/dent IF the dogs 'overlap' 100%. That can be seen in a picture. Unless they mesh 100%, they will fail. When you look at them as being 3 toothed gears,it's obvious why they fail.
 

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Do you have any recollection of a failure on an RTV with the Kubota snowblower? I certainly don't! You have turned into a keyboard warrior coming up with conclusions that have no validity in reality.


re: RTV/blower failures. NO, but then RTVs aren't of interest to me
Then why are you continuing to post on his thread if you don’t have any interest in RTV’s? ItBmine has stated that he has done thorough research and is happy with the results of his research, so went ahead and bought the blower. You are continually trying to make problems with Kubota where problems don’t exist.
 
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ItBmine

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I'd love to do some durability testing for you all, but my RTV has scared winter away. After a 4 foot dumping in one storm (which I cleaned with tractor because RTV was still at dealer) now it's been pouring rain and I have a gravel driveway again. :mad:

Time to set all the skid shoes back down again.
 

GreensvilleJay

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OK, I should have said... I have no interest in owning an RTV, as I have no use for one on my property BUT I do have a keen interest in seeing 2 good , clear pictures of the dog clutch setup when engaged, to compare it to picture of tractor/blower version. It'd be interesting to me to see ,to understand what Kubota did differently.
 

ItBmine

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OK, I should have said... I have no interest in owning an RTV, as I have no use for one on my property BUT I do have a keen interest in seeing 2 good , clear pictures of the dog clutch setup when engaged, to compare it to picture of tractor/blower version. It'd be interesting to me to see ,to understand what Kubota did differently.
I'll see if I can get a pic of it today. I will admit, based on my impressions looking at it, it does look like a cheesy connection. But as I said, there are a LOT of plow contractor here and our airport, that use Kubota tractors and RTV's with front mount blowers and I don't see them back at my dealer for repairs.
So I guess time will tell. But I'm not gunna lose sleep over it. After all, the internet has told me every single vehicle I have ever owned was supposed to grenade, yet all I ever do is oil changes, LOL
 

GreensvilleJay

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Maybe K uses different dog clutch parts ? I assume the blowers are the same ?
Rain and WARM here in balmy southern Ontario....oh well, kids had a 'white xmas'.

Hmm....I used to drive a '71 Pinto, I'm still here ! :oops: :oops:
 

ItBmine

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I should have took pics the other day when I had the shields off greasing it. Because you really can't see much of it. I'll have to wait until I unbolt plate again. But I can verify, there is absolutely no movement at the coupler when you raise and lower blower. There is a short driveshaft that goes to it and it has a u-joint on each side.
 

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re: But I can verify, there is absolutely no movement at the coupler when you raise and lower blower.

Thank you ! So... chewed up dogs cannot be caused by raising/lowering the blower when spinning, 'something' else has to be the cause.

So I'm curious... If you have K-connect on your B2620, can you use the snowblower on it, in case RTV won't run ??
 

ItBmine

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re: But I can verify, there is absolutely no movement at the coupler when you raise and lower blower.

Thank you ! So... chewed up dogs cannot be caused by raising/lowering the blower when spinning, 'something' else has to be the cause.

So I'm curious... If you have K-connect on your B2620, can you use the snowblower on it, in case RTV won't run ??
No, I have a rear 3 point blower on my B. No front hitch. I'm not sure if the front K-C blowers are interchangeable between tractors and RTV's?

Correct, no way to chew up dogs. Only thing I don't like the looks of, is the amount of play or space between the teeth. I guess there has to be to make connection of the implements possible, but you gotta think there is "slap" for lack of a better term, every time you engage PTO.
I would for sure not want to engage it at anything other than an idle.

Me, on all my blowers, I also make a habit before I use them, to spin the auger and fan by hand before I start machine to make sure everything is free. You never know if a rock or anything could be in there and jam when you engage the PTO.