Rough Running BX

jgaylord

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Equipment
BX1850
Oct 10, 2011
1
0
0
troy,ny
I finally solved a problem with my BX running rough and wanted to share solution.

I trolled this forum and others the past few months to try and troubleshoot the problem. Tractor would run fine for a while (15 minutes, an hour?, 2 hours?) and then start bogging down and have no power. RPM's all over the place and almost stalling out. Sometimes sitting would help but it always returned. First time I changed both fuel filters and thought it was solved but a month later the problem returned. I read and tried everything from new diesel source, more filters, purging air, etc. but it kept returning. I noticed when it happened if I disconnected fuel line before first filter from tank it would dribble out. I tried blowing air back through line and immediately flow was like it should be (pouring out). I surmised that something was stuck in the tank outlet. So I finally got around to removing the tank today which is no fun. I did ball joints on Dodge last week and that was almost easier. Anyway after a couple hours of disassembly and taking time to thoroughly remove leaves, grass, twigs from every nook and cranny and degreasing everything I had tank off. With it empty I shook it into a white pail to see what I had in there and a lot of rust flakes came out. By a lot I would say ½ teaspoon. Being a plastic tank I was curious how this could be? So I removed the fuel sender float and sure enough it was rusted and crumbling. I was shocked how bad a shape it was for a 3 year old tractor. I am glad I found the problem but am worried this could be a regular occurrence. I should also mention that before I did all this I did try and blow air out of tank. I made a tight seal with rubber glove ducktape around an air gun. I blew air and got some mist coming out of fuel line but problem still came back. After taking it apart and seeing the size of the outlet at bottom of tank, and the odd tank shape. I think it would be unlikely I would ever get all the rust flakes out. Not to mention it would keep occurring as more rust flaked off sender unit.

The picture I took is of sender and I scraped the side lightly just a couple times to show how easily it was flaking.

The disassembly is fairly straightforward. You need to take off seat, rear fender and loosen floorboard. I took floorboard off to easily clean things and do new filter. A lot of knobs and some electrical connections too. I did not do a write-up but found it pretty intuitive once I started. The only thing I will point out is the knob below seat (which controls how quickly rear three point raises/lowers) takes a lot of prying force to come off. The knob for the cutting height takes even more. I used long screwdriver as a fulcrum and pried each side slowly for a few minutes and they finally popped off.

If you have any specific questions I can try and answer them but hopefully this might save some guesswork if you are running into same problem.

some follow-up stuff:

- Forgot to mention this is for BX1850 but I think all BX's used same fuel sender.
- I have always used a diesel fuel additive to prevent gelling and algae
- The part (K2581-61370) is ~ $50 but since it was special order I decided to try and see if I could clean mine up and maybe coat with POR or something. Not that I am cheap I just am impatient. I started wire brushing lightly and once surface rust was off I found a lot of holes in outer case where rust had eaten through. Upon opening outer case I found inside was worse than outside (see pic). So no saving this part and I will wait (impatiently) for a few days.
 

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Kubota_Man

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Equipment
BX24, Rear blade, Front blade, Snowblower, 54" MMM, Box scraper, Landscape rake
Dec 25, 2010
953
2
16
Kellogg, Idaho
Wow....I have a BX24 and thought within a plastic tank I would not have an issue with rust :confused:

Thank you for sharing with us.
 

Bulldog

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Equipment
M 9000 DTC, L 3000 DT
Mar 30, 2010
5,440
78
48
Rocky Face, Georgia
Just throwing a couple of pennies in.

After you run your tractor fill it up at the end of the day. After a good hard run the fuel tank will be just as hot as your engine. After shut down the tank will cool and if it's not full of fuel condensation will build up and that is where your rust problem starts.
 

millerized

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Equipment
BX22
Sep 19, 2011
41
0
6
Inwood, WV
That would probably explain why the BX22 I'm running never shows less than 3/4 of a tank....even when coasting down a hill after running out of go juice.

Something to check this weekend.

Good catch!
 

ramflash1

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Equipment
BX2230
Oct 26, 2011
1
0
0
66
Fall Branch, TN
Howdy All,

Sounds like I have the same problem. I bought my BX2230/54 inch deck, used with 750 hours. Felt like I got a great deal @ $6500. A BIG upgrade from my Cub Cadet. I noticed the intermittent engine stalling pretty soon after after my first use. I don't know that much about diesels but I surmised the engine was not getting fuel as needed. Changed both filters and problem went away for a while. It would come and go. Sometimes no problem then the next time it was back. Today I mowed hopefully for the last time this season. The problem came back with a vengence. The engine completely stopped once. Checked all the electrical connections and found both the coolent temp. and oil pressure sender connectors to be loose. Fixed both by replacing the female connectors. Thought this was the problem. NOT! So, does this sound like the same problem you (jgaylord) were having?

Thanks,
ramflash1
 

JesseB

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Equipment
BX2350, BB, brush cutter, carry all
Oct 10, 2015
1
0
0
York
Jgaylord,

I know this is an old thread, but I wanted to thank you for having posted this. I had fuel delivery troubles this weekend, and after reading this thread, and another thread from Tractorbynet.com, I was comfortable tearing into the issue. Specifically, I appreciated your advice on how to get those D%#^* knobs off, as well as the corrosion of the fuel sending unit. Mine looks identical to your pictures. My tractor is 10 years old, with 500+ hours on it - surprised yours had issues after only three years. Any update?

I'll be taking this opportunity to install a Racor filter that's been sitting on the shelf for the last year or so, to prevent the frequent issues with water freezing in the first filter.

Thanks again

Jesse
 

Pepsiboy

Member

Equipment
BX2350D, FEL, MMM, Rear tiller
Oct 3, 2014
171
8
18
Shell Knob, Mo
I finally solved a problem with my BX running rough and wanted to share solution.

I trolled this forum and others the past few months to try and troubleshoot the problem. Tractor would run fine for a while (15 minutes, an hour?, 2 hours?) and then start bogging down and have no power. RPM's all over the place and almost stalling out. Sometimes sitting would help but it always returned. First time I changed both fuel filters and thought it was solved but a month later the problem returned. I read and tried everything from new diesel source, more filters, purging air, etc. but it kept returning. I noticed when it happened if I disconnected fuel line before first filter from tank it would dribble out. I tried blowing air back through line and immediately flow was like it should be (pouring out). I surmised that something was stuck in the tank outlet. So I finally got around to removing the tank today which is no fun. I did ball joints on Dodge last week and that was almost easier. Anyway after a couple hours of disassembly and taking time to thoroughly remove leaves, grass, twigs from every nook and cranny and degreasing everything I had tank off. With it empty I shook it into a white pail to see what I had in there and a lot of rust flakes came out. By a lot I would say ½ teaspoon. Being a plastic tank I was curious how this could be? So I removed the fuel sender float and sure enough it was rusted and crumbling. I was shocked how bad a shape it was for a 3 year old tractor. I am glad I found the problem but am worried this could be a regular occurrence. I should also mention that before I did all this I did try and blow air out of tank. I made a tight seal with rubber glove ducktape around an air gun. I blew air and got some mist coming out of fuel line but problem still came back. After taking it apart and seeing the size of the outlet at bottom of tank, and the odd tank shape. I think it would be unlikely I would ever get all the rust flakes out. Not to mention it would keep occurring as more rust flaked off sender unit.

The picture I took is of sender and I scraped the side lightly just a couple times to show how easily it was flaking.

The disassembly is fairly straightforward. You need to take off seat, rear fender and loosen floorboard. I took floorboard off to easily clean things and do new filter. A lot of knobs and some electrical connections too. I did not do a write-up but found it pretty intuitive once I started. The only thing I will point out is the knob below seat (which controls how quickly rear three point raises/lowers) takes a lot of prying force to come off. The knob for the cutting height takes even more. I used long screwdriver as a fulcrum and pried each side slowly for a few minutes and they finally popped off.

If you have any specific questions I can try and answer them but hopefully this might save some guesswork if you are running into same problem.

some follow-up stuff:

- Forgot to mention this is for BX1850 but I think all BX's used same fuel sender.
- I have always used a diesel fuel additive to prevent gelling and algae
- The part (K2581-61370) is ~ $50 but since it was special order I decided to try and see if I could clean mine up and maybe coat with POR or something. Not that I am cheap I just am impatient. I started wire brushing lightly and once surface rust was off I found a lot of holes in outer case where rust had eaten through. Upon opening outer case I found inside was worse than outside (see pic). So no saving this part and I will wait (impatiently) for a few days.
jgaylord,

I had the same problem with my BX2350. New sending unit from my dealer was $70. When I got the NEW one, I coated it with epoxy paint before putting it in, and after cleaning the tank out. Since doing that, I have not had any more problems with the fuel system clogging up or the fuel gauge not reading correctly. I did post pictures here, but can't remember the thread title.
Guess they were too cheap to make the sending unit out of stainless steel or brass. I just hope that coating the new one with epoxy will prevent this from happening again. Good luck with your project.

Dave
 

cerlawson

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Equipment
rotiller, box scraper,etc.
Feb 24, 2011
1,067
5
0
PORTAGE, WI
Same trouble here, but no rust flakes in filter. Seems to be rust colored however filter paper. After 16 hours another stoppage, but adding fuel above the level of injectors makes it run OK. but not areal cure. New fuel pump didn't cure things.

Will remove the works and see what happens. Am thinking knob removal may be assisted by heating them to expand them first. Am considering just covering the opening for the fuel sender and living with none, going by the hours instead..

My BX with only 200 hours has been a big disappointment after my good luck with other tractors. Cheap items here and there make it cheaper price, but a headache.
 

bam

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Equipment
BX - 2350 Front End Loader, Mowing Deck, Rear Ag Blade.
Aug 6, 2016
5
0
0
Elliston, Virginia
Thank you very much jgaylord.! I have a sickening feeling this is what is wrong with my BX-2350. The symptoms are identical. I'll try the fuel filter swap out first and see if I find any rust in those.
 

maw6363

New member
Sep 16, 2016
1
0
0
Columbia, Maryland
After messing with filters and blowing air back into tank on separate occasions I decided to pull the tank. Wish there was a cleanout access under the seat but no. A few small seeds came out at first and after swishing the fuel around and draining from the filler some big leaves came out. The sender had a little surface rust but nothing near the OP pic. Now to see if i can fashion some removable screen filter into the filler.



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Khjones

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Equipment
Kubota bx1850
Jul 23, 2021
2
0
1
Jesup, georgia
Hello all.
I have two kubota tractors. The oldest is a 2014 bx1850. I love this machine but it has been a forever pain. It was always fuel starved. I changed dozens of fuel filters, including the one right under the seat. Dump fuel, and suck out the tank. Which requires dropping the deck. I also spent hundreds of dollars at three different dealers trying to fix it. All eventually confessed it was a common problem. Each wanted $1200 or more to chang out the fuel tank with no guarantee that it would fix it.
Finally I had enough of the thing and was ready to get rid of it. My final act of frustration was to cut a hole in the tank under the seat and look inside the dang thing. The fuel line leaves the tank at a horizontal angle and not much bigger than 1/8 an inch. It's practically designed to plug off. I clean it well enough for fuel to flow freely to the bottom filter. It never did that before. I cut a piece of sheet metal and screwd it over the hole sealing it with liquid gasket. The thing runs great now. After 10 years of headaches.