retrofit a hoe?

BadDog

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I found a light duty hoe that seems sound and mostly complete but needing a general rebuild and hoses but price is right. Problem is, it seems to be from a trencher (not ditchwitch, but similar to what I've seen on them) of some sort. Very light duty, probably a 9" bucket or so, and nothing like a typical 3 point or even sub-frame mount. I'm going to try to take a look in the next days if it doesn't slip away first. Anyone have suggestions on whether this is a pipe-dream, or viable alternative?

Given the folks who build their own hoes and/or FEL, I'm thinking this has got to be a leap ahead of that proposition, but will require a complete sub-frame fabrication. And it has no outriggers, so that's another piece. I'm not stranger to fabrication and have a well equipped shop. Still, no experience and not entirely sure what a proper functional design will look like.

I really need access to the 3 point, so it would have to be a quick connect, and figuring out the ergonomics (seat etc) also looks like a good part of the problem. Controls now are clearly designed to operate standing beside the unit, but that's easily addressed I think. I'm even thinking about something someone suggested here about making it effectively a tow behind using the draw bar and PTO shaft from my auger to power the pump. It's something I need fairly regularly, and not (very often) for stump/boulder type removal type heavy work, so it might work well enough like that.

Just looking for anyone who may have any experience, or perhaps investigated it previously.
 

BadDog

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Oh, and since the 4 way controls are relatively isolated, likely needing relocation anyway, I even considered it might be useful to separate the controls and pump from the hoe unit. Repackage the pump/control as a separate module, perhaps mounted to the 3 point or better mounted in some custom way so the 3 point is still available. Then package the hoe as a towable unit, with added outriggers added with perhaps a selector valve to operate from existing control valve. Then the pump/control unit becomes a power pack with quick connects for driving anything I want. Concrete mixer comes to mind right off the bat. And with a ready hydraulic control unit, plus cheap surplus hydraulic motors, who knows...

Barking up the wrong tree?
 

Eric McCarthy

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Sounds like more of a head ache then its really worth to me boss. If your going to by a used hunk of iron thats not even really meant as a tractor mount backhoe and totally rebuild it, might as well buy some steel and build yourself a brand new one from the ground up from scratch.

Or have a little patients and the right deal will come along on a proper used hoe.
 

BadDog

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Good advice.

But I was looking at it as sort of a kit, and as such, being easier than starting from scratch. All the main parts needed for less than I could buy the steel, and reducing a LOT of the basic fab and design overhead, assuming it was originally designed and works correctly. Of course I would have assumed the same about my Kubota FEL, until I tried to use it to move gravel from a pile and realized it does not come close to tilting back enough to lift a decent amount of gravel from ground level.

Still, it's not an ideal fit, and I have no abundance of time, so it's likely I won't follow through on this big a project anyway unless it starts to appear like a much smaller project for whatever reason...
 

volp

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Well Bad Dog, did you do it or not?
It sounded to me as a viable project. I converted a backhoe from a skid loader to the 3point on my MF35 and it is still OK after more than 10 years of work.
A am a doctor and not a technician or welder but I learned a lot doing the conversion and later repair work! :cool:
Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Anders
 

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BadDog

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Not long after that, I found a B2150 that came as TLB. The hoe needed work, but the tractor was solid, or so I thought. It's turned out to be a bit of a white elephant though. Every time I turn around, something else is causing trouble, mostly related to PO mistreatment. Latest was a failure of the 2 stage clutch, along with associated delays expenses and headaches; enough that I got fed up with it and abandoned it to work on other more pressing projects for the last 4 months or so. In the last few days I finished reinstalling most everything, still waiting on some parts ordered (never anything in stock for me), filled it with fluid, and now can't get it to turn over. Everything seems fine (safety switches and such), so now I have to go through the electrical system to figure out what I missed, damaged, or just had the bad luck to fail in the mean time.

The hoe is still untouched, setting where it was dropped off when the tractor was unloaded. I'm really wishing I had stuck with MF or Ford, both of which I've owned and used, much simpler tractors, and other than basic maintenance, parts readily available, never gave a minutes trouble, and they were 30 years older...
 

coachgeo

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I would start with a pimp in a purple suit..... Sorry.
yeah..... it is damn hard to turn a hoe around:D Once a hoe always a hoe:p

but it's been done with lots of work and lots of headache and heartbreak :cool: