Remote Rear Hydraulics

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Well, did more on the B2401 today. Getting more parts in all the time now. I believe the last time I posted, I had installed the control valve on the bracket. I had also installed the 4 couplers and bracket. I received the hoses the other day but I had decided to go with 3/8” hoses instead of the 1/2” hoses, the 1/2” hoses seemed to be very stiff to work with in the close conditions underneath the seat and routing the hoses around to the valve. The smaller hoses are easier to work with but I had to buy reducers for my fittings since I had purchased the 1/2” sized fittings previously. Doesn’t really make a difference though! One other thing I ran into was trying to put the 4, 90 degree elbows on the valve for the A1, A2, B1 and B2 connections. They were so close, two of them weren’t able to be turned without hitting the other one’s, so I had to order a couple of extra fittings to raise two of them up to be able to turn them to get them on tight. I have them all tightened and the hoses installed. I also purchased some nylon hose sleeves to run the hoses through so I could protect them against any possible damage. I am waiting for an order that was lost in shipping but the replacement is on the way. I ordered the RH side lift link from SparepartsHolland and it should be here by Friday. Then I have to do some modifications to it, so hopefully that goes well, since if it doesn’t its on my dime!
I will post some pictures of what I have done today and I will post the pictures of the before and after of the modifications to the side link. Here’s the latest pictures.
 

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Got some of the hoses run today. But the side link is supposed to be delivered tomorrow! Really looking forward to get it and hopefully get the modifications done tomorrow and if all goes well with the mods then get it installed on the B2401. I have been getting things installed and ready so after I get the side link installed, I will then do the last thing on the tractor before its ready for the testing, Remove the #100 pipe that is located under the seat and install the fitting for the hydraulic fluid connection for the hydraulic lines to provide pressurized fluid to the control valve and the fluid return line to the hydraulic system. I will post pictures of the side link before the mods and after I complete the mods and then the installed side link. After I get it done, I will try to make a short video of the top link and side link being operated with an implement attached.
 

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Well, did more on the B2401 today. Getting more parts in all the time now. I believe the last time I posted, I had installed the control valve on the bracket. I had also installed the 4 couplers and bracket. I received the hoses the other day but I had decided to go with 3/8” hoses instead of the 1/2” hoses, the 1/2” hoses seemed to be very stiff to work with in the close conditions underneath the seat and routing the hoses around to the valve. The smaller hoses are easier to work with but I had to buy reducers for my fittings since I had purchased the 1/2” sized fittings previously. Doesn’t really make a difference though! One other thing I ran into was trying to put the 4, 90 degree elbows on the valve for the A1, A2, B1 and B2 connections. They were so close, two of them weren’t able to be turned without hitting the other one’s, so I had to order a couple of extra fittings to raise two of them up to be able to turn them to get them on tight. I have them all tightened and the hoses installed. I also purchased some nylon hose sleeves to run the hoses through so I could protect them against any possible damage. I am waiting for an order that was lost in shipping but the replacement is on the way. I ordered the RH side lift link from SparepartsHolland and it should be here by Friday. Then I have to do some modifications to it, so hopefully that goes well, since if it doesn’t its on my dime!
I will post some pictures of what I have done today and I will post the pictures of the before and after of the modifications to the side link. Here’s the latest pictures.
I dont see a power beyond sleeve or connection to the valve. Is that on purpose?

Dan

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I dont see a power beyond sleeve or connection to the valve. Is that on purpose?

Dan

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Hey Dan,
I have to admit, I don’t know what you are talking about! Please let me know what needs to be done so I can fix it, just not
very knowledgeable about the hydraulic system and try to learn as I go, I truly appreciate any advice and support from the forum community members. Looking forward to hearing back from you soon. Thanks
 

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Hey Dan,
I have to admit, I don’t know what you are talking about! Please let me know what needs to be done so I can fix it, just not
very knowledgeable about the hydraulic system and try to learn as I go, I truly appreciate any advice and support from the forum community members. Looking forward to hearing back from you soon. Thanks
Your valve has two outlets.

The one labeled N is high pressure power beyond and is used to power a downstream valve. This is the port that goes back to the power beyond pipe connection on your tractor. You need to install a power beyond conversion sleeve in the N port before connecting the hose.

The T port where you currently have the hose is low pressurs return and goes straight to tank

See picture below.

Dan

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I guess I am confused! So I just looked at the information previously provided! Referring to the diagram showing the removal of the #100 pipe. I remove the pipe and with the fittings I ordered from Discount Hydraulics, I connect the loader PB port to the new valve P port and the N port to the 3 point port on the tractor where I install the banjo and banjo bolt. So what is connected to the valve T port and if it is connected, to what? I do appreciate your assistance, I really believe without it, I would have a problem and would have NO solution. Thanks
 

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I guess I am confused! So I just looked at the information previously provided! Referring to the diagram showing the removal of the #100 pipe. I remove the pipe and with the fittings I ordered from Discount Hydraulics, I connect the loader PB port to the new valve P port and the N port to the 3 point port on the tractor where I install the banjo and banjo bolt. So what is connected to the valve T port and if it is connected, to what? I do appreciate your assistance, I really believe without it, I would have a problem and would have NO solution. Thanks
First of all you need to acquire and install the power beyond sleeve for your valve in the N port. Then you connect that to the 3pt port on the tractor.

The T port goes to any tank return. I think there is a plug near the 3pt port buf if not the tank filler is often used.

Dan
 

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First of all you need to acquire and install the power beyond sleeve for your valve in the N port. Then you connect that to the 3pt port on the tractor.

The T port goes to any tank return. I think there is a plug near the 3pt port buf if not the tank filler is often used.

Dan
I truly appreciate your help with this project! I have to say you have been very supportive and helpful but probably most of all, patient with my lack of experience and knowledge. I can only say THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I will have to order the sleeve and find the tank return or use the tank filler as a last resort. Hope this will be my last bump in the process! Thanks again
 

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I truly appreciate your help with this project! I have to say you have been very supportive and helpful but probably most of all, patient with my lack of experience and knowledge. I can only say THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I will have to order the sleeve and find the tank return or use the tank filler as a last resort. Hope this will be my last bump in the process! Thanks again
I believe I have figured out what you have indicated to me about the connections. I have one question that may be dumb but the PB sleeve looks to be a simple fitting that allows you to connect a hose to the port and run to the tractor port! I have looked online at several different sites for the PB sleeve and they are all from $40 or more with shipping, which just seems unreasonable for such a small fitting. Can you please explain why they are different from a normal fitting to connect the hose? Thanks
 

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Hey Dan,
I have to admit, I don’t know what you are talking about! Please let me know what needs to be done so I can fix it, just not
very knowledgeable about the hydraulic system and try to learn as I go, I truly appreciate any advice and support from the forum community members. Looking forward to hearing back from you soon. Thanks
I dont see a power beyond sleeve or connection to the valve. Is that on purpose?

Dan

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Now that I have most recently figured out what you are talking about. I do have a question about the return to tank for the low pressure line. As you have mentioned before, the line from the valve that needs to go to the tank must be placed in an inlet for the tank. On the B2401, there is a rubber tube/hose that is about 8 or so inches long located under the seat. Can I replace it with a new rubber hose that I have installed a tee, then run the tank hose from the valve to the tee and connect it? This would give me the tank return solution! I would greatly appreciate your feedback.
 

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I believe I have figured out what you have indicated to me about the connections. I have one question that may be dumb but the PB sleeve looks to be a simple fitting that allows you to connect a hose to the port and run to the tractor port! I have looked online at several different sites for the PB sleeve and they are all from $40 or more with shipping, which just seems unreasonable for such a small fitting. Can you please explain why they are different from a normal fitting to connect the hose? Thanks
The PB sleeve is specifically made for the valve model. It provides protection to the valve from damage due to high pressure in the valve when you use a valve further downstream. The whole line from pump to valve1 to valve2 becomes a high pressure area. Without the proper sleeve there would be high pressure in parts of the valve that are only designed for low pressure.

You must get the proper PB sleeve for your valve (not just some PB sleeve).

And since you seem not 200% clear on the valve piping and functions of the hoses and ports I will provide some basic information that might help you with the understanding. Ignore it if you do have a good understanding of what the situation is.

The pump will provide flow to the valves on the tractor. Most (probably all really) tractors in today’s world have one valve that controls the three point hitch. So the “standard“ piping would be pump to a hydraulic takeoff block (for future access) then to the three point valve, then dumps to the sump. Most if not all of this piping is internal to the tractor in today’s tractors. All that flow is low pressure until the valve is actuated, then the pressure builds up in the cylinder, line and pump until it does the lift required (or if lift is too much then dumps through the pressure relief valve).

Then there are the additional add on valves like the FEL and rear remote. Those of course require a power in from the pump and must return the oil back to the three point valve. So the power is taken from the hydraulic block mentioned above and diverted to the accessory valve. Then the power must pass through the valve and onto the next valve in line. So the pump becomes connected to the power in (P) of the new valve passes through the valve, into the power beyond sleeve (PB) and to the next valve. The next valve does the same thing and then provides power to the three point valve and dumps into the sump for the pump to then pump around the circuit again and again. This is low pressure until some valve is activated. Most tractors today have a port on the hydraulic block mentioned above that takes the PB flow into the tractor to pipe it to the three point hitch.

Then the new accessory valves have a tank return (T) port. Usually more than one T port is available and often one of these is specifically used for the power beyond sleeve. The others are used to pass the oil returning from the cylinder to the sump. So when a valve is not actuated, the oil flows through but the actuation diverts the oil to one side of the cylinder (I will assume all cylinders are double acting) and that pressure then builds up and moves the piston in the cylinder, lifting the load. That movement of the piston also moves oil out of the cylunder on the non active side. That goes back to the valve and passes through to the T port that then dumps the oil to the sump. That can be through any port on the transmission that is not pressurized. But for simplicity think of it as the fill port for now. But most newer tractors would have this return port on the hydraulic block mentioned above. So T from the valve connects to a low pressure port on the tractor.

The tank return is low pressure and all tank return lines can be connected together into one return line to the tractor. If using the fill port on the transmission you could use a TEE with another TEE or cross above it to have several tank return lines connected together. The tank return is the ONLY hydraulic line that can be teed together with other tank return lines. The power lines must be single continuous flow lines.

The last valve must return power to the tractor three point hitch. If there is a backhoe that must be the last valve before the three point hitch. The backhoe valve is (usually) specifically designed for high pressure and does not use a power beyond sleeve. The tank return line is used as the power beyond on this valve so it is not always a low pressure line and must NOT hook into other T lines!

If you look at your L185 you can see most of the pressure piping is external and there may be some obvious block to tap into the pressure line and return pressure to the tractor three point.

Modern and bigger tractors have much of the piping internally to the tractor and you can sometimes just bolt the new valve where there was a cover installed.
 

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Now that I have most recently figured out what you are talking about. I do have a question about the return to tank for the low pressure line. As you have mentioned before, the line from the valve that needs to go to the tank must be placed in an inlet for the tank. On the B2401, there is a rubber tube/hose that is about 8 or so inches long located under the seat. Can I replace it with a new rubber hose that I have installed a tee, then run the tank hose from the valve to the tee and connect it? This would give me the tank return solution! I would greatly appreciate your feedback.
The simplest solution is to use fittings #10 and #40 below. These replace the fitting in the loader valve that dumps into the hose going to tank. Simply remove the existing "u" shaped hose and fitting. Install the 2 fittings above, cut the hose to fit between the barbed end of the new tee fitting and tank. Then connect your new tank hose to the threaded end of the tee fitting.

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Nice and neat.

My original plan was a tee fitting as you mentioned but, I could not find one that was the correct size for the existing hose. The above factory parts fit!
 
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I have all the parts ordered to get the valve lines hooked up correctly. Now here’s my plan to get it done!
- remove the #100 pipe from tractor which is locate underneath the seat
- install fitting to the tractor loader PB port using the male SAE-8 x male JIC adapter fitting
- install banjo and banjo bolt to the tractor 3 point port
- install a compatible fitting to the banjo for the hose connection
- install on the Valve the Power Beyond sleeve in the N port
- run a hose from Valve Power Beyond Port which is indicated by the letter N to the 3 point
port to the installed banjo, banjo bolt and hoses adapter fitting are located
- run a hose from Valve P port to the loader PB port fitting you installed
- run a hose from the Valve port indicated by a T to an inlet port for the return of low pressure
fluid to the tractor hydraulic fluid tank. What I am planning to do for this connection for
the hydraulic fluid return line, since it is a low pressure line, is put a T fitting in the
low pressure tank return line underneath the seat and run the line from the Valve port
to the T fitting that was installed
- after double checking for tightness and ensuring that all lines are secured properly to
prevent damage, with an implement attached, proceed to test the top link for complete
operational control with no issues, then test the side link for complete operational control
with no issues.

If anyone sees any problems with my plan! Please feel free to provide feedback and/or suggestions to my plan or what I am doing, so I can make appropriate adjustments to it.
Again I just want to Thank everyone who has given me feedback and suggestions in my
project!
 

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The PB sleeve is specifically made for the valve model. It provides protection to the valve from damage due to high pressure in the valve when you use a valve further downstream. The whole line from pump to valve1 to valve2 becomes a high pressure area. Without the proper sleeve there would be high pressure in parts of the valve that are only designed for low pressure.

You must get the proper PB sleeve for your valve (not just some PB sleeve).

And since you seem not 200% clear on the valve piping and functions of the hoses and ports I will provide some basic information that might help you with the understanding. Ignore it if you do have a good understanding of what the situation is.

The pump will provide flow to the valves on the tractor. Most (probably all really) tractors in today’s world have one valve that controls the three point hitch. So the “standard“ piping would be pump to a hydraulic takeoff block (for future access) then to the three point valve, then dumps to the sump. Most if not all of this piping is internal to the tractor in today’s tractors. All that flow is low pressure until the valve is actuated, then the pressure builds up in the cylinder, line and pump until it does the lift required (or if lift is too much then dumps through the pressure relief valve).

Then there are the additional add on valves like the FEL and rear remote. Those of course require a power in from the pump and must return the oil back to the three point valve. So the power is taken from the hydraulic block mentioned above and diverted to the accessory valve. Then the power must pass through the valve and onto the next valve in line. So the pump becomes connected to the power in (P) of the new valve passes through the valve, into the power beyond sleeve (PB) and to the next valve. The next valve does the same thing and then provides power to the three point valve and dumps into the sump for the pump to then pump around the circuit again and again. This is low pressure until some valve is activated. Most tractors today have a port on the hydraulic block mentioned above that takes the PB flow into the tractor to pipe it to the three point hitch.

Then the new accessory valves have a tank return (T) port. Usually more than one T port is available and often one of these is specifically used for the power beyond sleeve. The others are used to pass the oil returning from the cylinder to the sump. So when a valve is not actuated, the oil flows through but the actuation diverts the oil to one side of the cylinder (I will assume all cylinders are double acting) and that pressure then builds up and moves the piston in the cylinder, lifting the load. That movement of the piston also moves oil out of the cylunder on the non active side. That goes back to the valve and passes through to the T port that then dumps the oil to the sump. That can be through any port on the transmission that is not pressurized. But for simplicity think of it as the fill port for now. But most newer tractors would have this return port on the hydraulic block mentioned above. So T from the valve connects to a low pressure port on the tractor.

The tank return is low pressure and all tank return lines can be connected together into one return line to the tractor. If using the fill port on the transmission you could use a TEE with another TEE or cross above it to have several tank return lines connected together. The tank return is the ONLY hydraulic line that can be teed together with other tank return lines. The power lines must be single continuous flow lines.

The last valve must return power to the tractor three point hitch. If there is a backhoe that must be the last valve before the three point hitch. The backhoe valve is (usually) specifically designed for high pressure and does not use a power beyond sleeve. The tank return line is used as the power beyond on this valve so it is not always a low pressure line and must NOT hook into other T lines!

If you look at your L185 you can see most of the pressure piping is external and there may be some obvious block to tap into the pressure line and return pressure to the tractor three point.

Modern and bigger tractors have much of the piping internally to the tractor and you can sometimes just bolt the new valve where there was a cover installed.
Dan, I really appreciate your feedback and the time you spent providing this information! I have learned so very much valuable information from you. And I am sure, many of the other members have also. I posted a picture that I found a short while ago of the control valve on the B2401 for the LA435 loader and asked if anyone would know what the bolt on the lower right corner is and if it could possibly be an inlet for the low pressure side of the valve? If you can take a look at it and see what you think about it, would be great appreciated. Thanks again for all your help
 

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Dan, I really appreciate your feedback and the time you spent providing this information! I have learned so very much valuable information from you. And I am sure, many of the other members have also. I posted a picture that I found a short while ago of the control valve on the B2401 for the LA435 loader and asked if anyone would know what the bolt on the lower right corner is and if it could possibly be an inlet for the low pressure side of the valve? If you can take a look at it and see what you think about it, would be great appreciated. Thanks again for all your help
I dont know but you can tee into the loader return as MimeyMotorBike showed.
 

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I dont know but you can tee into the loader return as MimeyMotorBike showed.
Okay, I have ordered the fittings to be able to do it. I decided to make my own version of the design so I ordered three barb fittings, 2 x 1/2” and 1 x 3/8” and a tee fitting, so I can just cut the current tube and splice in the tee with the 2-1/2” barb fittings that screw into the tee and the 1-3/8” barb fitting screwed into the top of the tee for the hose coming from the valve.
Again I can’t thank you and the other members enough for helping me out with this project.
 

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Okay, I have ordered the fittings to be able to do it. I decided to make my own version of the design so I ordered three barb fittings, 2 x 1/2” and 1 x 3/8” and a tee fitting, so I can just cut the current tube and splice in the tee with the 2-1/2” barb fittings that screw into the tee and the 1-3/8” barb fitting screwed into the top of the tee for the hose coming from the valve.
Again I can’t thank you and the other members enough for helping me out with this project.
You dont need high pressure hose for that connection and you certainly dont need 1/2".
 
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You dont need high pressure hose for that connection and you certainly dont need 1/2".
I am using 3/8” hoses for this project and I am going to, for the easiest way possible, install the metal tee fitting, which has NPT thread, then install the hose which runs from the T port to the tee fitting tank inlet that I create by splicing the tee fitting into the rubber hose, that’s part of the original design by Kubota. Even though I ordered a 3/8” barb fitting, the metal tee is NPT threaded, so I will just use the hose that I have installed in the T port and connect the other end directly to the metal tee. It should be a clean way of doing it and with some Kubota Gray spray paint, it will look like it came from the factory like that! Waiting on the couple of parts I ordered to come in and get it done and tested.