PTO question

[Firedog]

Hey there, New (to me) L2501 first tractor owner. I’m new to this forum and tried searching for the answer with out success. Any search hints would greatly help.
I have a 60 in landpride brushhog cutter in the photo and I just purchased a harbor freight quick release for the 3 point. I understand how the landpride shaft extends into the PTO, my question is about after I add the quick release to the 3 point.
Do I need to add an extension to the PTO shaft on the tractor side to cover the 3-4 inch width of the quick release ?
Thanks in advance.

 

[Flintknapper]

No, IF the PTO shaft was/is the proper length...or was 'cut' to fit properly...there should be plenty of overlap in the PTO shaft to increase (or decrease) in length enough to accommodate the difference.

If in doubt, remove the PTO shaft and separate the two halves. You will quickly see the amount the one side fits into the other (likely 12"-18").

 

[Russell King]

The PTO shaft length must be properly adjusted for the tractor and implement it is attached to and you are asking a good question.

If the PTO shaft length is too long it can damage the tractor or the implement.

If too short then the PTO shaft can twist itself off and damage a lot of things including you.

So the answer is that it depends on if the shaft has been adjusted correctly without the ”quick release” installed and doesn’t have enough overlap then you need to add the extension or replace or repair the shaft length.

Search the internet for something like “adjusting PTO shaft length for new implement“

or look at the manual for the brush hog

 

[Firedog]

No, IF the PTO shaft was/is the proper length...or was 'cut' to fit properly...there should be plenty of overlap in the PTO shaft to increase (or decrease) in length enough to accommodate the difference.

If in doubt, remove the PTO shaft and separate the two halves. You will quickly see the amount the one side fits into the other (likely 12"-18").

Thanks, Im pretty sure it wasn’t cut but I was wondering if the extra 3-4 inches would create a possible problem with not having enough bite. Appreciate your input. Thanks

 

[Firedog]

The PTO shaft length must be properly adjusted for the tractor and implement it is attached to and you are asking a good question.

If the PTO shaft length is too long it can damage the tractor or the implement.

If too short then the PTO shaft can twist itself off and damage a lot of things including you.

So the answer is that it depends on if the shaft has been adjusted correctly without the ”quick release” installed and doesn’t have enough overlap then you need to add the extension or replace or repair the shaft length.

Search the internet for something like “adjusting PTO shaft length for new implement“

or look at the manual for the brush hog

Thank you.

 

[PoTreeBoy]

Hey there, New (to me) L2501 first tractor owner. I’m new to this forum and tried searching for the answer with out success. Any search hints would greatly help.
I have a 60 in landpride brushhog cutter in the photo and I just purchased a harbor freight quick release for the 3 point. I understand how the landpride shaft extends into the PTO, my question is about after I add the quick release to the 3 point.
Do I need to add an extension to the PTO shaft on the tractor side to cover the 3-4 inch width of the quick release ?
Thanks in advance.

The answer is . . . it depends. If you have 6-8" of shaft engagement with the cutter in the longest position (probably fully raised), you should be okay. More is better, to a point.

 

[old and tired]

Mine was fine with the extra length, just make sure to check it!!! Pull the PTO apart, attach the tractor half and line the two shafts up side by side to measure over lap. Do NOT have the tractor on!

 

[Firedog]

Mine was fine with the extra length, just make sure to check it!!! Pull the PTO apart, attach the tractor half and line the two shafts up side by side to measure over lap. Do NOT have the tractor on!

Thank you. I appreciate the hint for safety. Being new to this area of heavy metal, sometimes the obvious is often overlooked. That brings me to another question about tire ballast. Kobota quoted me 400 bucks to fill mine. How important is this for safety ? I have also seen 2 inch wheel spacers for safety. If you had to choose one, what one would you choose ? Or would you go with both ?
Thanks

 

[Moose7060]

Thank you. I appreciate the hint for safety. Being new to this area of heavy metal, sometimes the obvious is often overlooked. That brings me to another question about tire ballast. Kobota quoted me 400 bucks to fill mine. How important is this for safety ? I have also seen 2 inch wheel spacers for safety. If you had to choose one, what one would you choose ? Or would you go with both ?
Thanks

I would choose tire ballast always over spacers.

 

[DustyRusty]

The one thing that you didn't mention, nor did anyone else. Is there a slip clutch on the PTO shaft or is it a shear pin design?

 

[old and tired]

Does your land have hills or uneven land? I have tire ballast, don't know what kind, it helps with lifting heavy stuff (still need extra weight on the backside). I have 1" spacers but never got around to putting them on... I live in Hillsville and I feel pretty comfortable driving around... at first, there was Pucker Factor.

I've gotten use to it and don't worry about roll overs.

You can load your own tires for a lot less... there is a garden hose attachment, that can bleed the out out (around $20). Helps to have a drill pump or old RV water pump to fill.

I have a Slip-clutch on my mower but it's been locked up ever since I had it... it shears it's shear pin if it needs to... I've sheared 4 in 20-ish years. You'll learn where rocks or high spots are (I just raise the mower up a little in those areas).

 

[rc51stierhoff]

Thank you. I appreciate the hint for safety. Being new to this area of heavy metal, sometimes the obvious is often overlooked. That brings me to another question about tire ballast. Kobota quoted me 400 bucks to fill mine. How important is this for safety ? I have also seen 2 inch wheel spacers for safety. If you had to choose one, what one would you choose ? Or would you go with both ?
Thanks

Good day.

Ballast is important enough there is a section in the manual about it.

If planning on using the loader tire / wheel and or rear ballast might be helpful and increase safety margin IMO.

Good luck.

 

[Flintknapper]

Before looking at wheel spacers (my last choice) for you rear wheels, look to see if your tractor has off-set 'tabs' on the rims.

IF it does then simply swapping the wheels side to side can gain you 8"-10" of width which adds tremendously to stability on hills and off camber situations.

For example on my L2350DT:

As from factory.

With wheels adjusted to full outboard position.

 

[Firedog]

Does your land have hills or uneven land? I have tire ballast, don't know what kind, it helps with lifting heavy stuff (still need extra weight on the backside). I have 1" spacers but never got around to putting them on... I live in Hillsville and I feel pretty comfortable driving around... at first, there was Pucker Factor.

I've gotten use to it and don't worry about roll overs.

You can load your own tires for a lot less... there is a garden hose attachment, that can bleed the out out (around $20). Helps to have a drill pump or old RV water pump to fill.

I have a Slip-clutch on my mower but it's been locked up ever since I had it... it shears it's shear pin if it needs to... I've sheared 4 in 20-ish years. You'll learn where rocks or high spots are (I just raise the mower up a little in those areas).

I have a pretty good hill that is in great shape to get to my lower property. I also found giant whitetails a not afraid of tractor noise. It blows my mind that this 10 point hung around for an hour. I left the cutter on as a counter weight as I moved several piles of fill over the hill. No issues. 3-4 hours on the tractor and I’m unusually sore today. Feeling great honestly and the peacefulness that I felt on this tractor was hard to explain. Retirement is starting to take shape. Thanks for your help. Enjoy the weekend.
Jimmy

 

[Firedog]

The one thing that you didn't mention, nor did anyone else. Is there a slip clutch on the PTO shaft or is it a shear pin design?

Slip clutch on my cutter. I saw that video during my research. Thanks for sharing it. Seems like you need to pay close attention to the trouble spots and be ready to raise the cutter quickly. I’m going low gear slow until I get the hang of this. Thanks

 

[Firedog]

Good day.

Ballast is important enough there is a section in the manual about it.

If planning on using the loader tire / wheel and or rear ballast might be helpful and increase safety margin IMO.

Good luck.

Thank you

 

[PoTreeBoy]

Good day.

Ballast is important enough there is a section in the manual about it.

If planning on using the loader tire / wheel and or rear ballast might be helpful and increase safety margin IMO.

Good luck.

One lesson I learned - the tractor is less stable laterally going down hill than level or uphill. Since the front axle pivots, it adds almost nothing to stability. Going nose-down transfers weight off the rear wheels where it's needed for stability onto the front.

I was dumping brush in a large ravine using the loader. It was steep enough that the hydraulic pump started to lose suction (bad idea when you have a hydraulic clutch), but almost directly nose-down. Everything was ok until I raised the bucket a little to dump it, then the tractor started over. Fortunately, there was a small tree real close that kept it up.
.

 

[old and tired]

...It blows my mind that this 10 point hung around for an hour...

.... 3-4 hours on the tractor and I’m unusually sore today...

....Retirement is starting to take shape.

I had a Doe follow me through our woods, when I stopped at my cabin, she went up to the tractor and licked it and hung around it!?!

Is your tractor a manual transmission or HST??

Congrats on retirement, it's been a year and a half for me and I'm still not into a groove with it. Not sure how I had time to work, working my butt off now a days.

 

[skeets]

FIREDOG ,,, soooo yinz is from da burgh ?