PTO pump

[Donystoy]

Just wondering if anyone has had any experience with these type of pto pumps. I have only used direct drive ones in the past but have been having trouble finding one in the 12 gpm range at 540 rpm that I do not have to re-mortgage the house for. Saw a used Prince on eBay but would rather buy new. This is for my log splitter that now has no pump since the one I was using was for the backhoe that I sold.



Hydraulic PTO Gearbox and Group 2 Pump Assembly, 23cc, 47.20 L/Min, 9.96 kW | eBay

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

Did you notice that it's a UK only sale on that listing?

Better style of pump.

11GPM Hydraulic PTO Pump 540RPM for Agricultural Tractors, NEW | eBay

Hydraulic PTO Pump 11GPM 540RPM for Tractors. Rated Speed : 540RPM. It could widely be used in truck hydraulic system because it could be connected to the engine directly. Such as dumper, truck crane, refrigerated truck.

www.ebay.com

 

[TheOldHokie]

Just wondering if anyone has had any experience with these type of pto pumps. I have only used direct drive ones in the past but have been having trouble finding one in the 12 gpm range at 540 rpm that I do not have to re-mortgage the house for. Saw a used Prince on eBay but would rather buy new. This is for my log splitter that now has no pump since the one I was using was for the backhoe that I sold.



Hydraulic PTO Gearbox and Group 2 Pump Assembly, 23cc, 47.20 L/Min, 9.96 kW | eBay

Whats wrong with the tractor hydraulics?

Dan

 

[GreensvilleJay]

https://www.princessauto.com/en/540-rpm-pto-pumps/product/PA1000000750?skuId=8670291

and Hamilton has one in stock, according to the computer, so call first for a 'stock check'. $600 for 20gpm but that's a HUGE log splitter if you really need 12GPM !!!

possible option though not bolt on...

https://www.princessauto.com/en/8-hp-2-stage-hydraulic-pump/product/PA0001221555

1/4 the price though !

another possible unit ??

https://www.princessauto.com/en/9-hp-2-stage-aluminum-body-hydraulic-pump/product/PA0008725947

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

Whats wrong with the tractor hydraulics?

Dan

An LX2610 with 4.49 U.S.gals./min. max would be really anemic running a log splitter!

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

https://www.princessauto.com/en/540-rpm-pto-pumps/product/PA1000000750?skuId=8670291

and Hamilton has one in stock, according to the computer, so call first for a 'stock check'. $600 for 20gpm but that's a HUGE log splitter if you really need 12GPM !!!

possible option though not bolt on...

https://www.princessauto.com/en/8-hp-2-stage-hydraulic-pump/product/PA0001221555

1/4 the price though !

another possible unit ??

https://www.princessauto.com/en/9-hp-2-stage-aluminum-body-hydraulic-pump/product/PA0008725947

The issue with the first unit it would far exceed the PTO HP of that tractor.

The issue with the last 2 units is they would requite a gear case to get them up to speed to properly run, they run right in the 2500RPM or greater range not the 540 RPM range.

 

[TheOldHokie]

An LX2610 with 4.49 U.S.gals./min. max would be really anemic running a log splitter!

A lot depends on the splitter and the usage. You might be surprised what a regen valve will do to improve that anemic flow.

Dan

 

[Donystoy]

Whats wrong with the tractor hydraulics?

Dan

The log splitter requires more gpms than what the tractor can supply. When I used the original 6 gpm pump from my old bh I ran it on high pto speed since the b7200 had a two speed pto. Splitter still ran too slow.

 

[Donystoy]

Did you notice that it's a UK only sale on that listing?

Better style of pump.

11GPM Hydraulic PTO Pump 540RPM for Agricultural Tractors, NEW | eBay

Hydraulic PTO Pump 11GPM 540RPM for Tractors. Rated Speed : 540RPM. It could widely be used in truck hydraulic system because it could be connected to the engine directly. Such as dumper, truck crane, refrigerated truck.

www.ebay.com

Did you notice that it's a UK only sale on that listing?

Better style of pump.

11GPM Hydraulic PTO Pump 540RPM for Agricultural Tractors, NEW | eBay

Hydraulic PTO Pump 11GPM 540RPM for Tractors. Rated Speed : 540RPM. It could widely be used in truck hydraulic system because it could be connected to the engine directly. Such as dumper, truck crane, refrigerated truck.

www.ebay.com

The pump that I mentioned can be shipped to Canada. They have sent me all the dimensions. Ironically the pump you suggest (that would be ideal) do not ship to Canada. This is certainly the type that I am looking for. I did find it on Amazon.com. They will ship to Canada but are out of stock and do not know when they will be getting them in. Good thing I split 6 full cords of wood last year before I sold the B7200.

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

The pump that I mentioned can be shipped to Canada. They have sent me all the dimensions. Ironically the pump you suggest (that would be ideal) do not ship to Canada. This is certainly the type that I am looking for.

If that's the one you want I've been know to play middle man a time or two.

 

[Donystoy]

If that's the one you want I've been know to play middle man a time or two.

I appreciate that! Could never figure out why folks want to lose a sale because they do not want to fill out one more form. I have shipped numerous car parts into the US over the years.

 

[TheOldHokie]

The pump that I mentioned can be shipped to Canada. They have sent me all the dimensions. Ironically the pump you suggest (that would be ideal) do not ship to Canada. This is certainly the type that I am looking for. I did find it on Amazon.com. They will ship to Canada but are out of stock and do not know when they will be getting them in. Good thing I split 6 full cords of wood last year before I sold the B7200.

I have a B7200 so I an familiar with the problems. Those slip on PTO pumps require a lot of clearance around the PTO shaft. I dont think that pump would mount on my B7200 or the L3901 without sone sort of extension and/or removal of the PTO shroud.

Dan

 

[Donystoy]

I have a B7200 so I and familiar with the problems. Those slip-on PTO pumps require a lot of clearance around the PTO shaft. I dont think that pump would mount on my B7200 or the L3901 without sone sort of extension and/or removal of the PTO shroud.

Dan

That is the exact issue that I have and is why I requested specifications from the supplier of the pump from the UK. That style appears to be able to mount without an extension. My original pump from the old BH was a different style which had a shaft and a spline adapter. These are not available anymore. I checked with my dealer a while back and they can get the spline extenders. I also see that they are readily available online .

 

[GreensvilleJay]

PTO pumps only take the HP they need for the work they're doing... no reason the first pump won't work. I don't know the HP of the tractor, but I do know I can spin that pump by hand with a couple of grunts.
yes, the other 2 do need 540-2000 rpm gearing,easy to do if you wanted to save a few coins.

 

[TheOldHokie]

PTO pumps only take the HP they need for the work they're doing... no reason the first pump won't work. I don't know the HP of the tractor, but I do know I can spin that pump by hand with a couple of grunts.
yes, the other 2 do need 540-2000 rpm gearing,easy to do if you wanted to save a few coins.

Yes - HP ratings are typically based on continuous operation at max pressure and flow. In a log splitter application 90+ percent of operation is at a few hundred PSI with very brief spikes in pressure at reduced flow.

Dan

 

[TheOldHokie]

That is the exact issue that I have and is why I requested specifications from the supplier of the pump from the UK. That style appears to be able to mount without an extension. My original pump from the old BH was a different style which had a shaft and a spline adapter. These are not available anymore. I checked with my dealer a while back and they can get the spline extenders. I also see that they are readily available online .

PTO shaft extensions are readily available but you need to find a way to support the pump.

Dan

 

[Donystoy]

PTO shaft extensions are readily available but you need to find a way to support the pump.

Dan

Yes I have to make a bracket to support the pump as well as keep it from spinning as I had on the b7200.

 

[Donystoy]

Yes - HP ratings are typically based on continuous operation at max pressure and flow. In a log splitter application 90+ percent of operation is at a few hundred PSI with very brief spikes in pressure at reduced flow.

Dan

I frequently split 25-30 inch wood and could drag the engine down on the B7200 if going through knots. I want to match the pump to the rating of the pto hp at max pressure for splitting. The closest gpm pump available is 11 gpm. Besides that, I want a pump that I can use elsewhere in the future if required.

 

[GreensvilleJay]

possible option ?

https://www.princessauto.com/en/22-ton-212cc-gas-powered-log-splitter/product/PA0009015926

spend X2 the cash, get a complete splitter ?
though 'friends' will come and want to borrrow it..

BTW...
GPM gives you speed
PSI gives you force

 

[TheOldHokie]

I frequently split 25-30 inch wood and could drag the engine down on the B7200 if going through knots. I want to match the pump to the rating of the pto hp at max pressure for splitting. The closest gpm pump available is 11 gpm. Besides that, I want a pump that I can use elsewhere in the future if required.

Again, when you hit a knot pressure goes up but ram speed = flow rate goes down and you are still below max HP rating of the pump. Put a gauge on your splitter and see how pressure varies across a cycle. You are never going to see max pressure and max flow at the same time.

If flow/speed is that much of an issue swap the log splitter valve out for one with fast extend.

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Dan