Parasitic Draw

GeoHorn

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get your wiring diagram make... ....the only reliable way to get the correct one is to order it and they are not cheap.
Before I obtained a WSM for my tractor (which has the diagram included).... I simply called and talked to the parts dept at MESSICKS..... and within a few minutes he had emailed me the correct diagram. Problem solved! (In my case... Prev.Owner had cut the wire and removed the warning lamp to hide a failed alternator.).

Google and Messicks are your friends.

(PS: I had first downloaded a MX4700 diagram and of course it failed to correct the problem. Messicks sent me the correct M4700 diagram. My mistake...and one that is often made even by Kubota dealers and service-providers. Since then, I had recently ordered some hydraulic parts from a different dealer who should have known and certainly should have noticed since I specified M4700 in writing.... and yet they shipped MX4700 parts.)

On another note: Not a Kubota...but I found in one of my other vehicles that suffered “mystery” battery drainings.... I would park at the airport for a week while I flew a trip.... returning to the home airport my truck would not start due to drained battery. This went on for months as the dealer tried to find the drain. Turned out it was an (aftermarket) bluetooth-operated backup camera which was being triggered by a local WIFI/Bluetooth security-camera installation at the airport. The solution was to re-wire the backup camera to a KEYED power-source. (Installer error)
 
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Was any electrical items added by dealer?

Plot twist. After some testing.....my snowblower chute deflection is controlled by an electrical switch box attached (BX2821A). The installation (which was done at the dealer) instructions just show to connect a positive and negative wires to respective battery terminals directly. From inspecting my tractor....that seems to be installed correctly....I think. Here is the kicker. When I pull the work light CB to get rid of the 300 ma draw.....my snowblower chute deflection no longer works. So I'm wondering why that is? It has to be wired wrong which maybe causing the draw right?

I'll probably call the dealer/tech support when I have some time (got a newborn running around).
 

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Sounds like they tapped into the switched work light circuit to power the chute deflector. Nothing wrong with doing that but it sounds like something on that circuit is wired incorrectly.
 

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re: When I pull the work light CB to get rid of the 300 ma draw.....my snowblower chute deflection no longer works. So I'm wondering why that is? It has to be wired wrong which maybe causing the draw right?

RIGHT , it's WRONG...... sadly there's a lot of people who know (well think they know) enough about electrical to do STUPID things like that. I don't know what training 'mechanics' get but basic high school electrical should be part of their training. I know a great mechanic/farmer but even after 50 years he still dosen't 'get' the basics of electrical....
 

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I realize that trailering the tractor would be an inconvenience/expense but in addition to some probably incorrect wiring, you also have a compromised battery which will probably result in a decreased lifespan.
 

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I realize that trailering the tractor would be an inconvenience/expense but in addition to some probably incorrect wiring, you also have a compromised battery which will probably result in a decreased lifespan.

I did call the dealer a couple of weeks back telling them about the tractor battery going dead.....they said to test the battery...and that they would replace it if need be. So I'm not really worried about the dealer making things right. I'll see if they can make a service run out to my place vice having to take it in.
 

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Yes, a service call would be best, and would be the right thing for them to do.
 
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Better hope the 'tech' that comes out has at the very,very least passed 'BasicElectrical101' , unlike the 'tech' who wired up the tractor....

This 'snaffu' should be diagnosed and repaired in 30 minute or less
 

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I'm not familiar with the BX2380 but on my LX2610, the work light circuit terminates in a pair of bullet connectors under the right rear fender. If yours is similar, replace the fuse and use a multimeter set to DC voltage between the connectors of the red/blue wire and the black wire when the tractor is off. If you see something around 12-14 volts, the relay wiring is suspect.

- red/black-always-hot
- red/blue-hot-with-ignition-switch
- black-ground

***Disregard as my logic was flawed with this. As Fordtech86 mentions below, only the relay would remain powered with the tractor off if the constant power and switched power were swapped at the relay.***

So a year later and I finally solved this problem with basically this post. Was waiting till winter and between storms to send it to the dealer. The funny thing is when I did send it to the dealer, they caught one boo boo that happened I'm assuming during install: the work light ground (black male end) was inserted into one of the female bullet connectors. I think the dealer assumed this would fix the problem....they unplugged the connectors......they replaced a blown 15amp DC outlet CB ...then taped up the work light bullet connectors and told me it was fixed........

Couple of days after I get the Tractor back, I come back in town after a trip.....I go to start my tractor and the battery is pretty much dead. So I called the dealer back....they try to tell me that it's normal.......which I don't believe for a second. Next day I test for the Parasitic Draw again and find it again showing a 140mA draw (full disclosure...when I measured the Parasitic Draw last time showing 300mA, I was using an old style multimeter with a needle which looked like it was made in 1950...not as accurate as my new digital Meter).

So .....now I revisit this thread to see if I missed anything....and yep....this post is what clued me in. So I go back to the bullet connectors and pulled the tape off the ones the dealer taped and look at the one the chute deflector is connected to to see what is connected to what. THE DEALER HAD THE WIRE IN THE WRONG BULLET CONNECTOR. I put the wire into the correct female end.....I check the circuit breaker for clicking when pulling it in and out (nothing!)....and then test for and find NO parasitic draw. I fire up the tractor and test the chute deflector switch for normal operation....and it works as intended....and there is no draw on the battery when the tractor is off.

To be fair....it's very very hard to discern visually between the Red/Blue and Red/Black wires (thanks Kubota). To be blunt tho.....it took me about 20 seconds with my Meter to figure out which one was the hot wire and which was the switched wire....which is kind of unforgivable for the dealer given I had done all the troubleshooting for them in the first place (with the parasitic draw). They didn't test whether they had fixed the problem....then worse....told me it was normal when I called them back saying by battery was dead 4 days after getting my tractor home. Ooof! Now I'm wondering what else they missed in the past.
 
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The work light wires on my MX are only hot when the ignition switch is on.
 

PNWBXer

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The work light wires on my MX are only hot when the ignition switch is on.
BX has two plug back there (female)....one is hot one is switched. So you can run your worklights when the tractor is off with on/off switch usually supplied by the aftermarket worklight kits. I guess it's a nice feature if you want to light up a work space but don't want to burn diesel or engine hours doing it.....just make sure you don't drain the battery too much right!?