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Ethanol gas is a farce brought about to make real gasoline less effective and increase the costs. I never understood why we should take corn out of the food chain and make worse fuel to enrich a few envirobuddys. Ethanol in fuel does more harm than good.
All our vehicles run E-free gas along with any other motor around here. It's carried by all the gas stations here because we're a vacation destination for fishing, 4 wheeler's, snowmobiles, etc.
My Silverado gets better milage with E-free gas as a bonus.
My Silverado gets better milage with E-free gas as a bonus.
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I run non ethanol in all my small lawn and garden equipment including the zero turn.
I run gas with 10% ethanol in my vehicles. Modern vehicles are designed for it and go through it fast enough that wicking moisture isn't a concern.
I run gas with 10% ethanol in my vehicles. Modern vehicles are designed for it and go through it fast enough that wicking moisture isn't a concern.
While I agree with your opposition to ethanol in gasoline….I believe your basic supposition is incorrect. It is not a “farce”… it is real.…and the reason is not to make gasoline “less effective”…(it actually increases octane)…and it does not increase fuel costs (as opposed to the MBTE it replaced) …..and the “envirobuddys” are not who is enriched….it is corn farmers and their lobbyists who gain by the policy.….and believe it or not…it keeps the petroleum industry high-in-cash.
The end-users…. US…. are who suffer from the damage ethanol causes in standard, carbureted fuel systems, … and it prolongs the environmental debacle of petroleum exploration, refinement, and use. Henry Ford, in creating the N-series tractors, actually promoted and designed those tractors to run on 100% ethanol. He knew it would be good for his tractor-customers to grow corn to make the ethanol…and he didn’t care for DuPont and Standard Oil’s promotion of Tetra Ethyl Lead in fuel…which Henry (and DuPont/Standard/Gov’t) KNEW was harmful.
The basic reason ethanol is in gasoline today is to substitute it for MBTE (an oxygenate) in gasoline…because MBTE pollutes ground-water.
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A friend of mine worked as a water tester before he took up a different line of work; he told me some horror stories about MBTE, which gets into the groundwater from older leaking gas station underground storage tanks. According to him a very small amount of MBTE is all it takes to contaminate a large water supply.
E-free gas is available all around here, but is more expensive. All small engines get it---leaf blower, chainsaw, etc. and the boat when I had one, but the car and truck get the ethanol stuff.
www.pure-gas.org
Pure-gas.org - ethanol-free gasoline in the U.S. and Canada
Pure-gas.org is the definitive web site listing stations that sell pure gasoline in the U.S. and Canada.
All E-free gas up my way is high octane, it will cause all kinds of issues in some equipment, due to Knock sensors protecting the motors. Power tools and all 2-strokes get it nothing else.
I know that Cam-am UTV's will not tend to start if running High octane fuel.
I know that Cam-am UTV's will not tend to start if running High octane fuel.
I think the difficulties of which you write are not due to “high octane” fuel. Excessively high octane (unleaded) causes no problems… it’s only a waste of money. Leaded gasoline CAN cause some troubles but not hard-starting… usually lead fouling only.
Knock sensors protect against LOW ocatane…not high. Is it possible you mis-wrote when you said “all E-free gs up my way is high octane”…?? perhaps you meant Low octane?
All E-free up here is 92 octane, higher 10% E goes up to 91 octane and the knock sensor is there to protect the motor from detonation, which will happen in newer powersports engines if running it.
I was told to always follow the money.
Its about transferring wealth from urban areas into the countryside
In 2005, the U.S. Congress enacted a Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS) that set minimum requirements for the use of renewable fuels, including ethanol, in motor fuels.
Its impact on land prices and corn prices is easy to see.
Ethanol demand uses almost 50% of all the corn land production in the US.
I read a story that says some cornland in Iowa sold for $30,000 / acrea thanks to the demand for ethanol.
I'm a simple person but the pic's are hard to argue with i guess. 50% increase in demand overnight sure helped us farm owners.
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Its about transferring wealth from urban areas into the countryside
In 2005, the U.S. Congress enacted a Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS) that set minimum requirements for the use of renewable fuels, including ethanol, in motor fuels.
Its impact on land prices and corn prices is easy to see.
Ethanol demand uses almost 50% of all the corn land production in the US.
I read a story that says some cornland in Iowa sold for $30,000 / acrea thanks to the demand for ethanol.
I'm a simple person but the pic's are hard to argue with i guess. 50% increase in demand overnight sure helped us farm owners.
Corn prices
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Our local United Refinery Company station (Kwik Fill) has been selling ethanal free for $3.49, it is the same price as regular E10 at all 4 stations in town. Citgo across the street is 30 or 40 cents more per gallon for ethanol free.
Sorry for the confusion…but what you just posted appears to completely contradict what you posted previously (if E-free is 92 and E is 91)..the E-free should run BETTER than E10 in all equipt regardless.
And how is that different than land and real estate in urban areas..?? It’s ALL gone up enormously,…nothing/little to do with ethanol.
A presumption that wealth is being transferred from “urban to countryside” is also questionable since most corn is traded on open markets. Corn is NOT the most subsided farm product.
RICE is the most heavily subsidized crop, receiving 5 percent of U.S. subsidies but contributing only 0.7 percent of the value of U.S. agricultural production. Cotton is next, with a 13 percent share of subsidies.
Furthermore, the farmers are not necessarily who benefit….since more than half of farmland is rented, the benefit to landowners is greater than that to farmers.…those landowners are often urban investors and investment bankers.
On top of that, a large portion of the corn crop goes into meat production. The U.S. meat industry has become increasingly consolidated, with much of the control–and profits–in the hands of a few large corporations.…and less for the actual farmers/ranchers.
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Yep.
First , “He stated that it has a "public relations problem" with "the ethanol industry, corn farmers and [himself]"
Then Grassley helped expand tax incentives that produces energy from alternative sources including ethanol, wind, biomass, and biodiesel.
Not necessarily run better but be less prone to knock. Unless running a performance engine (Raptor R, TRX, Z06 vette, some high end German vehicles, modified engines of some sort), the engine will run the exact same on 87 as it will on 93 and everything in between. High compression ratio, or high boost will require higher octane.
Also side note, Ethanol burns less efficiently but creates more power than gasoline due to the lower air fuel mixture requirement, Which is why a lot of race cars run e-90, methanol, or nitro methane methanol mix.
14.7 to 1 air to fuel for Gasoline
9.7 to 1 for ethanol
4.1 to 1 for methanol
1.7 to 1 for nitro meth
the switch between methanol and nitro meth can gain over 100HP naturally aspirated, with a tune and no other engine modifications. Granted you'll go through the fuel very quickly and it is not cheap.
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I only run e free in my 2 stroke stuff (chainsaw leaf blowers) all my 4 stroke stuff gets reg 87. Like Tughill said e free is ussually higher octane and thus higher cost in our parts. I also don't keep fuel in the 4 stoke stuff Long enough for it to be a issue. If it's 6 months old (most of the time less then that) it gets drained and put in the truck which doesn't care if a few-5 gallons gets mixed in with the other 15-18 in the truck
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