No new Truck...sticker shock and synthetic oil.

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I looked at trucks a few days ago and decided to keep my 2004 Chevy Silverado (gas). I am not spending $40,000 when I have a truck that runs perfect.
I have changed the oil(dino) and kept up on all maintenance. 176,000 miles.

Question: Can I change over to full synthetic oil at this time and will it do any harm after running dino oil. Will it do any good to switch at this time? The price of new trucks being what they are I plan on keeping this truck for a long time. I run Rotella T6 in my tractoer and it would be nice to run the same oil in all my equipment.
 

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I'm pretty sure Diesel engine oil and gas engine oil are different so that won't help you on only using one type of oil between the two. It shouldn't make a difference in switching to synthetic in the truck except getting more miles between changes. Mobile 1 makes a high mileage oil, I wouldn't doubt others do too.
 

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You you switch today, back tomorrow and then back.....

there are so many bu!!shit claims to switching from one to another, most of them started from someone that did NOT want to pay for something they could not see nor prove helped. Dont believe me, do your research and then decide. I have using synthetic for almost 30 years, and even in the last 5 - huge changes have been made to improve even the SYNTHETIC oil itself!

Now - the Rotella T-6 is awesome stuff, it has all the goodies packed in it to help a DIESEL run and stay running longer........Not sure I would place it in a gasser - UNLESS you are getting a hellva deal on the T-6 - IT WILL not hurt anything to run it.

I run Mobile 10w-30 - or variations of Mobile 1 synthetic in all my gassers - AMSOIL is about the best you will ever find - awesome stuff - it is pricey however, but worth every penny.

Here is the scoop on synthetics without getting too deep into all the additives and whatnot.....

the physical molecule size is smaller on synthetic oils, here is an analogy for you.....

you have to drag a huge piece of steel across a gym floor, which would be better? A room full of steel bowling balls or steel ping pong balls, now without digging into coefficient of frictions and all the physics of that - the smaller balls will allow a tighter tolerance and allow it to roll better!

Some complain that synthetic oils leak out of seals, and this is somewhat true, those molecules can slip past a WORN seal easier - but, all that means is those seals are already bad -and the thick dyno oil cannot pass through, and thus there is the rub - the dyno when it comes to protection and viscosity - the synthetics cannot be beat....period!;):)
 

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Thank you all for the quick response, good info. Oil change is coming up and I will go to synthetic. I do plan on keeping this truck for as long as I can. I am pushing 70 so I might get a lifetime warranty out of this one, or until someone takes my keys away. Thanks again, I really appreciate this forum and the wealth of knowledge that folks are willing to share.
Don
 

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I use synthetic 10w30 in my Sierra. It's got around 90,000 miles on it. Last truck I ran full synthetic in as well. Was an 04 f150 and had around 140,000 miles on it when I got rid of it. Buddy has an 00' model Sierra with over 300k miles on it and has been running full synthetic oil in it since new.

Looking for a jeep for my wife, and a dually diesel for hauling. Priced out new and bought fell over. Prices have jumped $15k on a new truck. :eek: So started looking late model used. They are almost the price of new 2 years ago :eek: So then I started looking at farmers specials for hauling (crew cab dually w/ flat bed, no frills). Those prices are a little easier to swallow.

For the Jeep, we are actually looking for something to rebuild. Just want a good rolling chassis that needs new engine/ possible tranny.
 

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I was a strong believer in synthetic prolonging engine life until this past summer.... I had Troy built push mower I bought brand new and ran synthetic in it from day one, and changed it twice a year. 6 years later of using it hard mowing tall grass and the rings burnt up. Maybe it was because it came from a big box store with a cheaper grade Briggs motor, but I was really surprised. I always preferred synthetic 2 stroke oil when I had snowmobiles and still use it in the chainsaw, I like how it doesn't produce smoke. A sled mechanic told me it's like a night and day difference on how much carbon builds up inside the motor between the two.

I bought a new tundra about a month ago and Toyota recommends synthetic oil changed every 10k miles, that's pretty nice. I'm still sweating the sticker shock but I really like the truck. The 5.7l drinks gas and the best I could get on the highway so far is 15 mph. I'm not buying another one until this one dies so I'll see how many miles I get out of it. Toyota changes the oil free for 25k miles, after that I'll go with AMS oil.
 

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I was a strong believer in synthetic prolonging engine life until this past summer.... I had Troy built push mower I bought brand new and ran synthetic in it from day one, and changed it twice a year. 6 years later of using it hard mowing tall grass and the rings burnt up. Maybe it was because it came from a big box store with a cheaper grade Briggs motor, but I was really surprised. I always preferred synthetic 2 stroke oil when I had snowmobiles and still use it in the chainsaw, I like how it doesn't produce smoke. A sled mechanic told me it's like a night and day difference on how much carbon builds up inside the motor between the two.

I bought a new tundra about a month ago and Toyota recommends synthetic oil changed every 10k miles, that's pretty nice. I'm still sweating the sticker shock but I really like the truck. The 5.7l drinks gas and the best I could get on the highway so far is 15 mph. I'm not buying another one until this one dies so I'll see how many miles I get out of it. Toyota changes the oil free for 25k miles, after that I'll go with AMS oil.
Troy built ain't what it used to be. Back pack blower lasted a year then started puking oil down my back. Replaced it with a hand held 2 stroke. The darn thing fell apart. Called and couldn't get it warrantied. They said I dropped it and that was why it broke where it did. :mad: I didn't drop it, and it was only used three times. Only thing I've had good luck with was there 4 stroke weed eater.
 

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Troy built ain't what it used to be. Back pack blower lasted a year then started puking oil down my back. Replaced it with a hand held 2 stroke. The darn thing fell apart. Called and couldn't get it warrantied. They said I dropped it and that was why it broke where it did. :mad: I didn't drop it, and it was only used three times. Only thing I've had good luck with was there 4 stroke weed eater.
I believe that. Come to think about it..... I remember seeing one like mine at the scrap yard like 4 years ago and it looked new :rolleyes:. I think I paid $125 for it so it wasn't that bad. I bought a new toro 4x4 push mower from a local dealer at the tune of $400 :eek:. This one better last longer than me!

I've had great luck with Echo equipment from the same dealer. I won't buy anymore power equipment from the big box stores anymore. I know a lot of people like Stihl but my local dealer is a jack ass, lost my business a long time ago.
 

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I have several (10 years old +) Echo products and they are incredibly reliable. I missed the Stihl arrival a few years back but got some great deals on Husqvarna and have been very happy with those chainsaws and a monster backpack blower. All well made and rugged.

A friend just bought a new DR chopper/shredder and the poor Briggs motor on it has the cheesiest off-switch I have ever seen. Its like a wire on the speed control bar comes in contact with a nail. Didn't work right. He couldn't shut it off. I bent the "nail" as far as I could. Now, he just has to push the lever into the "nail" by pushing downward. Goofy but, at least it functions. Sad to see a Brigs with such a cheesy design.

My Chinese Westinghouse generator has almost zero plastic on it and runs like a champ and has so for almost two years. Its assembled out of forged parts. Its switching to synthetic very soon.

Synthetic is the best choice. I use it whenever I can except for older machines (simple engines) I use infrequently. Those get their oil changed every five years whether they need it or not!

By the way, I have been running my Suzuki motorcycles on straight Mobil 1 for years. Zero issues.

:)
 

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The Harley went to M1 15W50 first oil change and never looked back,, My old GMC went between Syn and Dino depending on how much I had in my wallet when it was time to change oil, The old gal had over 240k on it before the tranny went south. And getting that repaired was more then the truck was worth, so the truck went south too. NOW the kid that bought it was going to a tech school,, him and his dad torn the motor down, 4.3, and put it back together again, said it looked almost brand now inside,,, and that old gal worked for a living!! My point? Well I dont think it matters much which oil you use as long as you change it when needed. Though changing back and forth caused no issues with it
 

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I won't pay the extra for synthetic if cheaper dino works just fine. There's a few reasons. One, the vehicle that I drive daily (2004 Ford Mustang V6/Auto) has 326,000 miles on it. I have all the service records from day one-and it's a STACK of paper, all just regular maintenance and upkeep-occasionally a repair (rack & pinion at 190,000, ball joints at 224,000, etc). Normal wear stuff. I was thinking about oil the other night and spend 2 days looking through the records. Never once did it ever use anything but el cheapo motorcraft 5w30 and a motorcraft oil filter (FL400S).

In my truck (03 F250 4x4 7.3 diesel), I have "heard internet hearsay" that they "like" T6 5w40 in the winter months. I do know that I can tell when it's time for an oil change. These engines use HUEI injection (google it)--so they're sensitive to oil quality. When the oil's getting time to be changed I can tell. Rougher idle, little more noise, sometimes a haze of exhaust black smoke when I'm pulling hard. So a couple years ago I spent the $100 for a bucket of oil. Remember, these things hold 4 gallons, so I bought 5 gal bucket thinking I'd have a gallon leftover for the next oil change. I even sucked the high pressure oil pump's reservoir dry, and refilled it with clean T6.

I noticed zero change in MPG. It was not "less cold natured". It didn't run any better than comparable dino. An oil scan was done, and showed nothing to warrant it's additional cost. I went back to Kubota 15w40 and that's what I still use to this day. Thus, my opinion is that it's a waste of money in this application.

Let's go a little deeper. I work for a dealer. 2 years ago I was asked to go to an in-depth technical school for work, had to deal with lubricants ONLY, and nothing else. This was really in depth all the way from the basic elements that make up the fluids to the final product and how it relates to specific applications. Many don't know it but there's 5 grades of synthetic engine oil base stock-which is the base chemical on which the lubricant is made of. Grade 1 is the lowest, cheapest kind. Grade 5 is the most expensive and from a lubrication only standpoint, the best. Grade 1 and 2 base stocks are what 99% of "synthetic" engine oils are made of. Why? Cheap, easy, it can be called "synthetic" (even though it's more dino than syn), and gives satisfactory results to MOST consumers. Grade 5, for example, is not available to most of us. Why? Because it's expensive. And....what most people don't know...is that synthetic oils DO NOT PROTECT as well as dinos do...the higher the grade, the less protection over time. In other words, it wears out. Stuff rusts. You guys call BS and that's fine, you have your opinions on what I've learned. If I learned incorrectly, I want to know about it but this was a trusted lubricant manufacturer's 5 day seminar. What was most interesting to me was that only a few oil manufacturers have grade 4 and 5 base stock-and it's to be labeled race only. Why? Because it doesn't last. During my 2 week stay over there, I seen dyno results before and after on a popular 1,000cc crotch rocket. Made 181 hp on the dyno with 10w40 dino oil. It was flushed then switched to their highest grade synthetic and made 204hp with not a single other change. But when the oil came out after running an hour at 14,000 RPM, it was trashed. It felt weird on my fingers, almost like diesel fuel. It does not have the long term strength to maintain viscosity over any appreciable timeframe, hence why it's rated for race use only because it gets changed often. It's $30.00 a quart or thereabouts. I'm going to try some in my drag car and see if there's any ET or MPH change. Just for giggles. But it's hard to justify spending that much on just oil not knowing what it'll do. Currently running Kubota 15w40 in that, too.

Just my experiences, and some of my opinion, for what it's worth. And I'm out of this discussion from here on out....these threads usually end up with "I use it so it must be better", or "here's proof"...from a 3rd party website...
 

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I've had great luck with Echo equipment from the same dealer. I won't buy anymore power equipment from the big box stores anymore.
Ditto... Bought solely Stihl equipment until I bought one of the higher end (size) Stihl chainsaws from hell..

It would never idle right... when adjusting the carburetor after startup to idle correctly, when it got fully hot, it would not idle and vice versa.. rebuilt the carburetor once (and found out Stihl parts only available through dealer that didn't stock the parts, so long order time) and finally had the dealer put a new carburetor on it.. and it did the same thing.

The only way I could keep it idling was to set the idle speed up so high the chain would still be running.. Decided that was going to bite me one day. I got so P.O.'d with the damn saw, I gave it away..

Started buying Echo equipment and highly impressed with the quality. Before I was familiar with ECHO I mistakenly thought it was a cheap low end brand.

Not true. ECHO is the largest subsidiary of the Yamabiko Corporation of Japan and very high quality. http://www.echo-usa.com/About-ECHO/About-Us
 
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We use Amsoil in everything. 30 plus years and never had an oil related problem with anything. The trucks F350s 6.7s go 14k per oil change. Oil analysis several times said they could go longer but I figured twice as long as regular oil was enough for me and was easier to keep track of. They take a lot of oil so the cost and time levels the high cost of syn. No one knows what's going on in the motor without an analysis, you are just guessing and usually wasting money and time changing oil. But it does feel good with new oil...

As for new trucks, if we didn't need them for the business I would not spend that money for new. Ask the dealer to keep a look out for a 2 year old truck that's certified.

We were just talking about prices the other day. In 1988 I bought a new truck with plow for $15000. Snowplowing brought in $50 an hour. Now that truck costs $52000 plus 6k for a plow and we make $80 an hour...
 

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lugbolt,, my accountant has a '95 mustang gt , 5 spd with 830,000 miles on it. Same engine , same trans, same rear end. He just keeps fixing it.
 

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We were just talking about prices the other day. In 1988 I bought a new truck with plow for $15000....
Funny - was talking to my friend about same thing. I used to by my Chevies from him.

When a Half Ton Work Truck 4WD got to $11,000, all I could think was "How are we going to be able to afford them...":eek:
 

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I love a new truck. My 2015 F50 had a window sticker of $42.k and my Boss
snow plow was $4400. , I just like having a new truck. I feel safe and drive like hell. 385 HP whats not to like.
As far as oil. My truck calls for a syn blend. And the computer then tells you when the oil needs to be changed. How dirty it is. Technology. That's another reason I love a new truck. Bluetooth and all that other fancy crap. Its great.
If the Mobil 1 makes it last 300,000 miles that's fine. But at 60k miles I'm truck shopping. So the quickie lube is fine for me.
 

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I noticed zero change in MPG. It was not "less cold natured". It didn't run any better than comparable dino. An oil scan was done, and showed nothing to warrant it's additional cost. I went back to Kubota 15w40 and that's what I still use to this day. Thus, my opinion is that it's a waste of money in this application.
T6 gives synthetic oil a bad name. I agree with you, it's a waste of money and has no advantage over most other oils. Maybe better in cold weather but not even sure of that.

On the other hand synthetic lubricants shouldn't be ruled out because of T6. What I use tells another story. I gain MPG's and it makes a huge difference in the cold. My F150 picked up 5 mpg after it was switched. My F250 gained about 3 or 4 mpg. That alone pays for the oil. My $.02 :D