M7060 Operation and transmission types

[85Hokie]

Guys ( and gals)

I have a user question for those that use a power shuttle transmission.

The owner of the golf course I work for is "thinking" about buying a new tractor - the one that he is getting a quote on is the Kubota M7060. We have JD 4052M HST which is ........ well, simply put a POS. It has so many bad points that I will not waste time here discussing.

The owner is INSISTANT on getting a larger - bigger tractor, and I do not understand why .......... a heavier and larger machine on a golf course can be a disaster!

So here is what I want to know for the course superintendent that will be using it a lot of the time.

HE wants to be able to spread out fertilizer at a constant speed - the 3 range HST is fine but he seems to think a geared tractor would do that better than HST.

With the shuttle - there are 8 speeds (2 ranges - 4 speeds) and obviously the ability to reverse quickly while in that gear. The other option is the geared tractor.

Here is the kicker - the new machine will rarely if ever be used in a back and forth motion - sure it will go backwards when needing to do so, but the day it day out will be pulling a 11' 6 blade rotary mower which rarely can be used backwards.

Here are a couple of questions I have.

The PTO on the JD stays at 540 regardless of HST movement - moving fast or slow, the PTO is stays at throttle position.

If the shuttle is bought - is the pto separate of the gearing ?

Does the M7060 use a hand throttle or a foot throttle of both?

Would the shuttle be worth it at all?

The two people that will be using this new Kubota have veeeeerrry little knowledge of tractoring - neither know about locking differentials or even the A-B-C range the JD has .......... it has been a long road trying to explain WHY high range is not good to go into a pile of sand!!!!

Someone that has this model - tell me the pluses and minuses of getting this machine.

thank you!

 

[McMXi]

Guys ( and gals)

I have a user question for those that use a power shuttle transmission.

The owner of the golf course I work for is "thinking" about buying a new tractor - the one that he is getting a quote on is the Kubota M7060. We have JD 4052M HST which is ........ well, simply put a POS. It has so many bad points that I will not waste time here discussing.

The owner is INSISTANT on getting a larger - bigger tractor, and I do not understand why .......... a heavier and larger machine on a golf course can be a disaster!

So here is what I want to know for the course superintendent that will be using it a lot of the time.

HE wants to be able to spread out fertilizer at a constant speed - the 3 range HST is fine but he seems to think a geared tractor would do that better than HST.

With the shuttle - there are 8 speeds (2 ranges - 4 speeds) and obviously the ability to reverse quickly while in that gear. The other option is the geared tractor.

Here is the kicker - the new machine will rarely if ever be used in a back and forth motion - sure it will go backwards when needing to do so, but the day it day out will be pulling a 11' 6 blade rotary mower which rarely can be used backwards.

Here are a couple of questions I have.

The PTO on the JD stays at 540 regardless of HST movement - moving fast or slow, the PTO is stays at throttle position.

If the shuttle is bought - is the pto separate of the gearing ?

Does the M7060 use a hand throttle or a foot throttle of both?

Would the shuttle be worth it at all?

The two people that will be using this new Kubota have veeeeerrry little knowledge of tractoring - neither know about locking differentials or even the A-B-C range the JD has .......... it has been a long road trying to explain WHY high range is not good to go into a pile of sand!!!!

Someone that has this model - tell me the pluses and minuses of getting this machine.

thank you!

I have an M6060 with three ranges and the 4-speed tranmission which is more similar than different compared to an M7060.

1. The PTO speed is directly related to engine speed, but there's a constant RPM feature which will automatically adjust fuel input to maintain "constant" rpm as the load changes, and it works well. Also, 540E is available but you won't want to use it when running a big, heavy cutter such as the RC3712.

2. There's a hand throttle and a foot pedal throttle ... I use both (not at the same time)

3. If pulling a big, heavy mower around, the gear tractor with hydraulic shuttle would be the way to go


The plus side of an M6060/M7060 is the ability to do some serious work whether it's pulling a heavy cutter over hilly terrain or picking up stuff with a bucket, pallet forks or grapple. The cab is spacious and comfortable and the HVAC works very well. They're generally well built and reliable. They ride well, they have a decent top speed, and the 6-speed model has quite a few benefits such as higher flow of hydraulic oil, transmission parking brake, hydraulic brakes, push button 4WD and probably some more nice to have features that I've forgotten about.

The downside is the weight and the cost and possibly the overall size if working in tight spaces.

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

I would suggest an MX as it has HST and a fixed speed PTO.

or I would think he would look at one of these:

 

[85Hokie]

I would suggest an MX as it has HST and a fixed speed PTO.

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or I would think he would look at one of these:

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That MX6000 looks like the ticket!!!!

 

[McMXi]

That MX6000 looks like the ticket!!!!

I have an MX and an M and it depends on the weight of the mower and the terrain. The M is way more capable pulling a heavy load over hilly terrain. While I agree with @North Idaho Wolfman and his recommendation to consider an MX6000, which is a very capable tractor, it does depend on the conditions of use. Is your friend cutting fairways or thicker, heavier stuff found in the rough?

I will say though, for employees who aren't experienced tractor operators, an MX or L60 would be a better choice. It's much easier to operate for most people who don't want to put in the effort to master a bigger, more capable tractor.

 

[Tx Jim]

My having owned both synchronized & hyd reverser type Kubota tractors I'll recommend hydraulic shuttle over synchronized shuttle. Hydraulic shuttle uses hyd reverser clutch instead of a dry traction clutch to control tractor fwd/rev motion. The Sync reverser om ,y Kubota M4900 failed @ 1500 hrs & my M7040 has 1900 hrs using hyd reverser with no issues to load/unload several 1000's of rd bales

 

[TheOldHokie]

Guys ( and gals)

I have a user question for those that use a power shuttle transmission.

The owner of the golf course I work for is "thinking" about buying a new tractor - the one that he is getting a quote on is the Kubota M7060. We have JD 4052M HST which is ........ well, simply put a POS. It has so many bad points that I will not waste time here discussing.

The owner is INSISTANT on getting a larger - bigger tractor, and I do not understand why .......... a heavier and larger machine on a golf course can be a disaster!

So here is what I want to know for the course superintendent that will be using it a lot of the time.

HE wants to be able to spread out fertilizer at a constant speed - the 3 range HST is fine but he seems to think a geared tractor would do that better than HST.

With the shuttle - there are 8 speeds (2 ranges - 4 speeds) and obviously the ability to reverse quickly while in that gear. The other option is the geared tractor.

Here is the kicker - the new machine will rarely if ever be used in a back and forth motion - sure it will go backwards when needing to do so, but the day it day out will be pulling a 11' 6 blade rotary mower which rarely can be used backwards.

Here are a couple of questions I have.

The PTO on the JD stays at 540 regardless of HST movement - moving fast or slow, the PTO is stays at throttle position.

If the shuttle is bought - is the pto separate of the gearing ?

Does the M7060 use a hand throttle or a foot throttle of both?

Would the shuttle be worth it at all?

The two people that will be using this new Kubota have veeeeerrry little knowledge of tractoring - neither know about locking differentials or even the A-B-C range the JD has .......... it has been a long road trying to explain WHY high range is not good to go into a pile of sand!!!!

Someone that has this model - tell me the pluses and minuses of getting this machine.

thank you!

All of the Kubotas at my course are older 2WD standard L series with HST and turf tires. They are used for applying granular fertilizer, disc overseeding, aerating fairways and greens, top dressing greens, pulling an ancient gang of reel mowers, and miscellaneous loader work. The owner IS the superintendent and he buys the machines. I know for a fact he is extremely pleased with the way they have performed over the last 15 years. If you want hid thoughts I would be happy to take your question to him.

As a hint at how he thinks the gang mower is still frequently pulled with the original tractor purchased to pull it in 1958. My guess is he would have no interest in anything bigger or more expensive than a standard L. They put that money into the high dollar Jacobsen equipment.

Dan