I have a m6s-111 and was running great, had a friend do a oil change for me, other morning pooring down rain, got in it and red engine light came on, about 2 min the tractor shut off . so I am guessing there is a low oil engine shut down , its getting fuel and spark and will turn over just wont start, new oil in it . I cant haul it to the dealer ship it would be to high on my 5 wheel , stuck between hard place and rock, Thanks Mike oh and my buddy told me he thinks seal off old oil filter got stuck on new one !
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it's a diesel so it has no spark and sounds like the low oil pressure light came on and you ignored it long enough to destroy the engine bearings. They don't last long with no lube oil in them.
I'd say you have 2 choices. 1. Get your wallet out and dump many thousands of dollars on rebuilding it (don't have Mike do it), or 2, buy a reman engine and have it installed (forget Mike on that too).
In as much as you don't know a diesel (compression start-run engine) from a gasoline engine (spark ignition) better leave the light work up to your dealer.
I'd say you have 2 choices. 1. Get your wallet out and dump many thousands of dollars on rebuilding it (don't have Mike do it), or 2, buy a reman engine and have it installed (forget Mike on that too).
In as much as you don't know a diesel (compression start-run engine) from a gasoline engine (spark ignition) better leave the light work up to your dealer.
No I have spark we tested it all today and not much choice getting it to dealer , the fuel filter won't fill up all the way and code p0340 comes up , guess will try it again tomorrow thanks !
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A diesel has no spark so what do you think is the spark you have?
Why won’t the filter fill, is there fuel getting to the filter? Is there good fuel flow out of the tank to the filter?
Why won’t the filter fill, is there fuel getting to the filter? Is there good fuel flow out of the tank to the filter?
Let me say everything seems to be working right, was hoping someone could tell me if it had a switch or relay that could be reset !
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Mj1069,
Flip and RK are pointing out that your post aren't making sense. I am NOT a mechanic and won't even venture a guess what is wrong with your tractor. These others are very experienced, but the terms and statements you are making doesn't line up with how a diesel engine works.
You have stated you are getting spark. You shouldn't be getting a spark because diesel engines doesn't function in that manner. My guess, you have power, the starter is turning over, and it appears that your electrical system is working properly.
You then stated that the fuel filter is not filling up. Did you work on the fuel system or did all you/your buddy do is change the oil? You stated it was raining and I'm wondering if you had the fuel system open to the rain although I would hope that you were doing your service inside a barn/garage where it was dry.
Did you check the oil before you started the tractor?
Have you checked the oil since you started the tractor? You said you "guessed" that it was low oil, I'm hoping that you have checked and KNOW what your oil status is.
Have you corrected the filter O-ring issue?
As Flip pointed out, diesel are great engines, yet they do not tolerate running without sufficient oil.
Flip and RK are pointing out that your post aren't making sense. I am NOT a mechanic and won't even venture a guess what is wrong with your tractor. These others are very experienced, but the terms and statements you are making doesn't line up with how a diesel engine works.
You have stated you are getting spark. You shouldn't be getting a spark because diesel engines doesn't function in that manner. My guess, you have power, the starter is turning over, and it appears that your electrical system is working properly.
You then stated that the fuel filter is not filling up. Did you work on the fuel system or did all you/your buddy do is change the oil? You stated it was raining and I'm wondering if you had the fuel system open to the rain although I would hope that you were doing your service inside a barn/garage where it was dry.
Did you check the oil before you started the tractor?
Have you checked the oil since you started the tractor? You said you "guessed" that it was low oil, I'm hoping that you have checked and KNOW what your oil status is.
Have you corrected the filter O-ring issue?
As Flip pointed out, diesel are great engines, yet they do not tolerate running without sufficient oil.
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First thing is to check if the motor oil is still in it. Second would be double check the filter gasket. You may have to drain and refill with oil again to do that.
Yes sorry not very good at explaining stuff , I didn't know was loosing oil until the tractor shit down , yes new oil, filter etc , power to everything, and the fuel pressure seems to be fine .This all happened in about 2 sec really quick , no black smoke , tractor wasn't shaking none of that , that's why I thought might be a sensor or a reset , sounds like it wants to start just won't start . I will be first I don't have a lot of experience on Diesels but the people working on it do ! Thanks Mike
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Mike - okay, good to know.
There’s some folks here that can tell what the codes mean and know how to clear them on the dash.
Unfortunately I’m not one of them.
Some fault codes require a computer to clear, if I understand it correctly.
It’s possible that the code is preventing fuel from pumping, but I’m just guessing.
There’s some folks here that can tell what the codes mean and know how to clear them on the dash.
Unfortunately I’m not one of them.
Some fault codes require a computer to clear, if I understand it correctly.
It’s possible that the code is preventing fuel from pumping, but I’m just guessing.
The new common rail engines are very touchy when it comes to both clean fuel and adequate oil and if you ran it out of oil, even it it turns over, I bet you at the least spun a bearing. They only last a few seconds with no oil pressure and you said the light came on and it shut down. That tells me 0 oil pressure and internal damage.
You need to quit consulting this Mike guy and get a dealer involvesd Anyone who double gaskets a filter during an oil change, I doubt their competency greatly.
From what you say, I get the impression that Mike don't know beans from applebutter.
Sure sounds to me like an out of frame rebuild or a reman engine, both will be in the excess of 15 grand. heavy price to pay for an ignorant and very preventable mistake. Maybe 'Mike' will offset a bit, after all, his incompetence cause the issue.
You need to quit consulting this Mike guy and get a dealer involvesd Anyone who double gaskets a filter during an oil change, I doubt their competency greatly.
From what you say, I get the impression that Mike don't know beans from applebutter.
Sure sounds to me like an out of frame rebuild or a reman engine, both will be in the excess of 15 grand. heavy price to pay for an ignorant and very preventable mistake. Maybe 'Mike' will offset a bit, after all, his incompetence cause the issue.
You can get an answer if you provide the correct information. I don't see that happening. Right from the beginning with the 'spark' comment and then the oil light on and ran until the motor stopped, told me, you don't have much of a clue and the information you provided is very cryptic. Did you check the oil level when it shut down? No answer. Late model Kubota engines will self destruct from lack of oil in just a few seconds when operating at RPM. it's a plain bearing engine and plain (insert bearings don't last very long when dry.
I gave you the long answer based on your cryptic post. All anyone can do. Lack of information or incorrect information don't lead to any correct answers.
How it plays. Have fun, I'm done here...
I gave you the long answer based on your cryptic post. All anyone can do. Lack of information or incorrect information don't lead to any correct answers.
How it plays. Have fun, I'm done here...
You know it's guys like you why this world is so screwed up , guessing your a service guy in a Kubota dealership who screw people every day ! Sorry no one could answer my question ! Good luck
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Mj1069, I don't think you are being very fair to the people on this forum. You asked a question and several have tried to answer, but your statements don't align and you have not answered the questions that have been put to you.
Realizing, we all have made mistakes and it takes a real man (or woman) to admit when we have made a mistake.
Yet, if you want additional help you have to become better at communicating in a forum setting. I fully realize not all are able to communicate well in written word, but do not attack all the members on the forum and service techs just because of this lack.
Good luck with fixing your issue and I would be interested in learning what the problem turns out to be.
Realizing, we all have made mistakes and it takes a real man (or woman) to admit when we have made a mistake.
Yet, if you want additional help you have to become better at communicating in a forum setting. I fully realize not all are able to communicate well in written word, but do not attack all the members on the forum and service techs just because of this lack.
Good luck with fixing your issue and I would be interested in learning what the problem turns out to be.
No Flip is not service tech, but there are a couple guys on the forum who are, and who could give you more help when they log on, white tiger and lugbolt. My computer is down, so I can’t access what info I have on the diagnostic codes. There are not a lot of folks on here with the newer M tractors with common rail engines. I have an L which does, and would like to encourage you to proceed with caution looking at the fuel line. It could get very expensive if you or your buddy make a mistake. Please don’t start trying to crack injector lines, it is dangerous to you and not a good idea at this point. The new engines are a different breed of cat from your standard old style diesel.
It sounds like you have fixed the oil filter gasket problem and it is now holding oil. Is that right?
Other than the p0340 code, does your dash panel look normal when you power up? No other lights?
When you turn the ignition to the first position, on but not crank, can you hear a ticking noise which is the electronic fuel pump?
It may be that you just have to clear that code to get it to start, but if the water separator is not filling it might be a separate problem.
Do you have a shop manual for the tractor? There is a procedure for clearing codes and trouble shooting in most of them.
Let us know the answers above, there may be more we can do to help. Expensive tractor, don’t want to give bad advice. Hoping the loss of oil did not damage engine, but hard to tell over the internet.
I'm not at all. I'm a farmer with 2 large frame Kubota tractors. I do all my routine maintenance myself but when I have an issue, first call is to my dealer and my service tech and if it needs to go to the shop, it goes. Mine makes farm calls and picks up the tractors if they need to be worked on in the shop I don't mind paying a professional service tech to work on them, part of doing business.
You don't know squat about me and likewise, other than the cryptic comments you posted that equal nothing in value as to what your issues are or aren't.
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Guys I did not get on here to bash anyone my question was does anyone know about a low oil engine shut down , I dont have time for that crap, yes at first the code was coming on after about 5 seconds but quit, Yes and there is a clicking noise . No I dont have a shop manual but have been looking for one ! Long story short had a friend with a JD and it just quit one day planting a field, wont say a name but the service guy was there for 3 days, replacing parts whole time . ended up a hose that went under the tractor was leaking, I was sitting there when he was talking to his boss , he said he will never know 5800.00 dollars , I will never for get that ! almost sounds like bmyers !!!!!!
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Well Mj1069, not sure what I have done to you for the insult comparing me to an alleged dishonest repairman, but if it makes you feel better go ahead.
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I don’t think that he meant to compare you to the service tech.Well Mj1069, not sure what I have done to you for the insult comparing me to an alleged dishonest repairman, but if it makes you feel better go ahead.
I thought your tractor had a similar problem in the past is what he meant.