Lawn Tractor T2080 Won't Start

RobsReef

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Is it possible for a carburetor to get fouled up after one season?

Bought this tractor new and it only has at most ten hours on it.

Could someone point me in the right direction to find engine diagrams etc?

Thanks for you help!

Rob
 

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Is it possible for a carburetor to get fouled up after one season?

Bought this tractor new and it only has at most ten hours on it.

Could someone point me in the right direction to find engine diagrams etc?

Thanks for you help!

Rob
You by chance using ethanol in the gas? Most pumps around the country have 10% ethanol - that is a real good NO-NO for any gas engine.......that sits even for a while!

You might get by with the ol' tap float bowl lightly, and see if that will do it.
If not - drain the gas, clean the carb/bowl/jet and then place ONLY straight gas in it - and IF you must use that 10% stuff - cut fuel off and allow it to run out of gas when parked more than a couple of weeks.
 

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Yes...for whatever reason, the T series Kohler's seem to be more sensitive to fuel quality. One of my customers hates his T2080 for this exact reason. Good mower-as long as the fuel isn't staled. Start it once a week during the winter, just start it, run it for a minute or so, shut it off...makes a big difference.

But now there you're already there, you're probably going to have to do a carb cleaning. See if you can find someone with an ultrasonic cleaner. Those things are sweet, well the good ones are. The cheapo's are ok for cleaning spent brass but not much else in my experience.
 

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I have been using blended gas for several years but also use Sta-bail in everything. I put it in the container before I fill it with gas. As mentioned above, run the carb dry when storing for the winter. I also keep the fuel tank full as a full tank cannot draw moisture like an empty one does, especially a metal one.
 

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Fuel quality....

I believe, based on what our customers have been bringing us, that ethanol is not the big blame for quickly staled fuel, as everyone seems to think. Many, many times over the last few years I've heard that "I've been using non-ethanol fuel, so why does this happen?"......probably 10 times a week being conservative.

The fuel we have evaporates, and quickly. What I want everyone to do, and do this cautiously, is to grab a quart jar and put about 1/2 quart of gasoline into it. Doesn't matter if it's cheap low octane or premium, though the good stuff happens quicker. Anyway, put the jar outside and uncovered for a few hours. Mark where your original fuel level is and after a few hours, see how much the fuel level drops. The warmer the air, the more you'll be surprised. I did this last summer and within ONE HOUR, the half filled jar of fuel had evaporated 1/2 of it's contents. During the evaporation process, the fuel became cold. And of course where I live it's humid, so as it cooled it drew moisture in. What was left after 4 hours was about an ounce of water and about 3/4 cup of what I call fuel, although it smelled NOTHING like the original gasoline that I put into the jar. That is the stuff that ends up in your carburetor and fuel system. Similar to salt water. It evaporates and leaves the salt behind. A carburetor is more sensitive to this because the carb is vented to the atmosphere. It has to be in order for it to work as designed. EFI systems don't have a vented carb. The tanks are all vented of course.

The jar test tells me that ethanol is not solely to blame. Yes E10 does not agree with fuel lines in older equipment. Yes it's subject to phase separation. But Kubota (and most other) equipment has been designed from the get-go for over 10 years now, to run and run properly on E10 fuel.

The best cure is prevention. Either don't let it sit, or don't leave it full of fuel, but if you run it out, run it ALL out, and drain the bowl. When the engine dies-even on the Kohler's-there is still some fuel left in the carb bowl, lines, pump, and tank. Or use the equipment often.

If you've fallen victim to letting it sit, pouring good fresh fuel in, on top of the junk that's already in the system, does nothing but waste money if you have to do a fuel system flush and clean.

Sta-bil doesn't really work as well as it says it does, based on what our customers bring us/tell us. Might prolong the inevitable for a couple weeks but it doesn't cure it.

And finally no fuel treatment that I have tested (a ton of them) will "fix" bad fuel, not a single one. And none of them will "fix" moisture in fuel either. I had a sales guy stop in the shop once and tried to sell me some of his snake oil, I think he called Phaser or something like that. Said it'd remove moisture from the gasoline, and even poured some gas into a glass jar, added water, and then poured in his Phaser product. The water dispersed, more or less disappeared. But it was still in there, and that was my argument. About an hour after the guy left, the water fell right back to the bottom of the jar. Glad we didn't waste any money on that stuff.
 

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Lug,

excellent comments! Right on about everything too. The moisture does find itself into the gas no matter what! (in my humid climate it seems more;))

However - only part I would add , since this corn extraction is alcohol (ethanol) is will suck in more water than just typical gasoline. Much like when we get a good ol' hangover, the alcohol sucked the moisture out of our body - thus giving us a hellva headache!

I have never found anything that fixed it either, other than pour it out and start again:D

And that varnish smell and slick nasty stuff left behind, NO wonder it will not start or run:)

I try not to leave my gas sitting still long - sometimes I do and hope that it will still light......other times I talk to myself and tell the other dumb half how stupid that was to leave that fuel in the tank!;):p
 

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I got hit this year with bad gas :rolleyes: Hit every piece of gas powered equipment in the garage. After the botas back togegher, I have the push mower, blower, and weed eater to go through. New plugs, and I'm hoping that I can just drain the gas and refill without having to pull the carbs on all three pieces. Generator for some reason wasn't hit. But I shut the gas off on that and run it till it quits before storing it.
 

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I must be one of the lucky ones. I always use Sea foam when I get gas for my weed wacker, generator, leaf blower and my grandsons ATV and dirt bike. I have never had a problem. I don't run the carbs dry or drain any thing for the winter months. Call it snake oil or what you will, it works for me!