L4200 V2203 parts?

johndeerebones

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I've had my L4200 second hand for ~1.5 years it had 1xxx hours on it when I got it. Hard starting, smoking and oil slobbering out the blow by has only gotten worse since. Pulled the exhaust manifold and cyl 4 had oil out the exhaust port. Pulled the head, oil pan and pistons. #4 had a broken top compression ring. #1 had a VERY thin top and second compression ring. The second ring was so thin none of it was exposed and had to use a oring pick to grab it to spiral it off. His son ran it more than him, think he dusted it dust doesn't break rings.. He probably ethered it when it was hard starting and broke the ring. I cut my thumb and finger getting rings off. They were all worn to the point of sharp edges. I can feel zero wear in the cylinders. Some crosshatching is still evident. I am borrowing some inside mics tomorrow to make sure. the bearings are standard and look like new ones ohmed gps and all are fine. Unable to "pop" test injectors. If it runs bad i can get to them later. Anyway to the meat, haven't went crazy cleaning the deck of the block yet (under tarp outside) I'll wash it afterwards, want the sun shining to help dry. I know what wet liners look like and these aren't it. Does v2203 IDI come with dry liners? Again not sure I'll need them, haven't measured yet. Also, all pistons EXCEPT #4 are fine. #4 Is fine too EXCEPT a few scores on the intake side (injection pump) of the piston above the top ring land. I imagine a piece of ring went out it. Think it'll be ok? By the way this is in-frame, if it was a 5k+ hour engine 100% I'd pull it all, as it stands the crank and block stays. I am disabled and on somewhat of a fixed income. To recap, plan is measure. Liners? Reuse pistons? Maybe hone cylinders, re-ring, replace disturbed gaskets and reassemble.

It was running, smoked and slobbered more blowby than exhaust. Eveen the cheapest 15 40 is over $10 a gallon. With most of it on the ground and burning some is getting expensive...
 

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If you still have crosshatch, then your cylinders are not worn. Sounds like new rings, (check the end gap) and I would put in valve stem seals too, and gaskets and you should be good to go
 

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Yes they are dry liners, if you need the replaced them, you will have to take it to a shop and have them pressed out, pressed in, and bored to size, as they are only supplied as semi finished.

Put new pistons in it, If the rings are that bad then the lands of the piston will not be right!

 
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johndeerebones

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I mic'd the cylinders and they're all fine. Honed them. Cleaned the head and deck and checked flatness of both and they're ok. Cleaned the pistons, filed the small bit of score on #4 above the top ring. other than the ring grooves. Mic'd them. ~1mm less than the cylinder. Put them in a drain pan and let them soak in Diesel fuel to soften carbon from the grooves. #4 might be slightly less compression (talking 5 psi). I can live with that, it is approaching 30 years old, and it's not like it's working extremely hard like crops etc. If money was no object, absolutely I'd replace everything. As it is, I have way more time than money.... It is supposed to rain off and on for the next 3 days. So awaiting parts and weather. Set the head on block, and put all parts inside or by the engine, bolted on the hood put the grill and side screens on. Don't trust a tarp that well. Must have a head gasket. Is the idi Bobat v2203 gasket and oring the same? I assume the oring is a through pressure oil to the rockers? It can't oil through the pushrods like most engines I've rebuilt as the lifters are not only solid, they have oil drainback holes. On that subject the camshaft also looks brand new. Except for the rings everything is in good shape as I would expect a 1k hour engine to be. I kept some broken rings for cleaning the grooves. We'll see how new rings fit the pistons I guess.
 

johndeerebones

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NIW I agree as Id replace them without question usually. Normally I'd yank the engine, replace the liners and pistons. Difference of a few hundred or thousands!
 

johndeerebones

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Oh and by the way while it's down, does this thing have hydraulic suction screen too or just the spin on?
It's a GST if it makes a difference. I ordered parts BTW. Should be here end of this week or beginning of next.
 

johndeerebones

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Still await parts, bit wondering what specs are for the ring gaps? Compression is 23:1 so I'm sure there's alot of heat.
 

johndeerebones

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Yes they are dry liners, if you need the replaced them, you will have to take it to a shop and have them pressed out, pressed in, and bored to size, as they are only supplied as semi finished.

Put new pistons in it, If the rings are that bad then the lands of the piston will not be right!

Hey NIW you seem very knowledgeable. Rings should be here today any idea what the ring end gap and side gap should be?
 

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Hey NIW you seem very knowledgeable. Rings should be here today any idea what the ring end gap and side gap should be?
I'll send you a link for the WSM look at pages 1S33, and 1S36 for rings.

There is no screen on the hydraulic system.
 

johndeerebones

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Thanks again. Every question i have is there. Now for work at 45*, balmy to some of you. Still cold here, especially with the wind!
 

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1-3 went in fine. Ring end gaps great at stock size. Must've had some carbon in #4 2nd ring grove. Cleaned too. And under fuel tank. I held ring compressor and wood to send it home. My wife didn't stop and a ring broke. Went ahead and ordered a piston and rings. Everything else is here. Cleaned everything up and put it in a tote. Awaiting parts again. Should go together easy when it gets here. New pin and clips too. Pin is full floating. Just a swap.
 
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johndeerebones

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Thought I'd update. New piston on 4. Runs and starts great. Very little blow-by. Now needs to dry up. Mud everywhere. Starts to dry, rains again....