L2501 Dimensions?

[Tunaslayer]

Hello,
I am going to order a L2501 with loader and hoe tomorrow. I have a 14' CAM Superline tilt trailer rated at #8000 lbs. I fell comfortable with the weight, but the dimensions are scaring me a little bit. I was curious if anyone on here had the dimensions (total length in particular) of a newer L series with loader and backhoe. I am ok with having the backhoe boom occupy the space over the tongue, but even with that, it may not fit on the deck. Thanks for any help, and I may be dropping the backhoe off to transport...

..sorry for the up side down photo.

 

[olthumpa]

106.3" without 3pt or loader
The dealer should be able to tell you the combined length.

near the bottom of the page.
http://www.kubota.com/product/LSeries/L2501.aspx

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

Do not load it with the backhoe over the tongue, your weight distribution will be all off!
Way too much weight on the tongue!

 

[Thorny]

Hard to tell from the pictures, but I think you have 2 options.
Load it forward and set the bucket resting on the spare tire holder.
Load it backwards like you thought.

Kind of depends on whether you have loaded tires or not, and where all the weight is.

rough calculation puts the total length right near 14', but you could overhang the rear of the trailer a little as long as the tractor is tied down securely.

 

[Tunaslayer]

Ok, well apparently the dealer covers the first delivery, so at least I don't have to "experiment" with the loading in the Kubota parking lot. I am going to pass on the loaded tires until my 2 year warranty is up. Apparently Kubota says loaded tires and backhoe are not allowed...I'll just have to give it a try. I am hoping that loading forward facing will work, but I don't want to get busted for an "oversized" load because my backhoe is hanging over by 4'...does anyone know the maximum overhang for implements off the back of a trailer? Anyway, I'll post pictures once I take delivery. Should be next week at some point. Thanks again!

 

[skeets]

Apparently Kubota says loaded tires and backhoe are not allowed.

WHAT ????? I don't know for sure but Im thinking some one is blowing smoke up your dress

 

[mdhughes]

I thought I had read this before on the forum, look at this post for a reply from Kubota on the subject.

I wonder if it has to do with the outriggers not being able to handle the extra weight of the loaded tires or the added weight would keep the outrigger from slipping when you catch the backhoe bucket on something and pull.

 

[virginiavenom]

what a load of crap. no issue loading the tires.....I'd find another dealer

 

[lescarpentier]

what a load of crap. no issue loading the tires.....I'd find another dealer

The BH 77 wouldn't be strong enough to lift the L2501 with loaded tires.Fact!

I have a B3350 with the BH77 hoe with unloaded tires.As fitted this combination is quite agile and has saved me from getting stuck many times.I can also cross ditches using my bucket by lifting and pushing with the hoe.Even so,I have experienced limitations.

(1) The L2501 weighs approximately 600 pounds more than the B3350.
(2) Loaded 15-19.5 tires add approximately 600 pounds.

If I were to add 1200 pounds to my B3350 the backhoe would be a dog and only suitable for digging ditches and picking up stumps and such.To me it is quite understandable why loaded tires are not recommended for the L2501 BH77 combination.

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

The BH 77 wouldn't be strong enough to lift the L2501 with loaded tires.Fact!

That's not necessarily true or a fact!
The hydraulic system on the L's are usually not only higher GPM but also higher PSI.
Thus making the same BH act differently on the 2 different classes of tractor.
One would have to do a real world test in or to say it's a fact that it's too weak.

 

[OldeEnglish]

Our b2910 has loaded turf tires and the back hoe lift's the tractor with no problem, BH runs by pto pump. I'm almost positive the dealer recommended loading the tires because of the back hoe.

 

[Tunaslayer]

Ok, my dealer is loading the tires with Rimguard. He knew exactly what I was talking about when I explained why I did not want to, and he said it will be a huge advantage with the hoe, and also when the hoe is off for Loader work. I am a fan of loaded tires, and so I decided to load em up. I will try picking the back of the tractor with the boom once I get it and and report back. I can see the argument from both sides, but I am going on the "expert" opinion of my sales and service support. He claims to have sold a lot of similar machines with loaded tires, and no negative results yet? I am hoping to give this tractor a pretty easy life with mostly trench work and sand (live in an area of glacial till-very very sandy), so I feel the extra weight will be an advantage...If the dealer is loading them, then he will hopefully be responsible for any warranty repairs. Maby I will bring him to task on this subject and get something in writing?

 

[lescarpentier]

That's not necessarily true or a fact!
The hydraulic system on the L's are usually not only higher GPM but also higher PSI.
Thus making the same BH act differently on the 2 different classes of tractor.
One would have to do a real world test in or to say it's a fact that it's too weak.

I stand corrected,maybe,however we cannot deny that the BH77 specs the same with both tractors.In addition,the flow rate on the L2501 is actually slightly less than on the B 50 series Kubotas.Psi on the L2501 hydraulic system is 2205.Have no idea what the B3350 is.

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

I stand corrected,maybe,however we cannot deny that the BH77 specs the same with both tractors.In addition,the flow rate on the L2501 is actually slightly less than on the B 50 series Kubotas.Psi on the L2501 hydraulic system is 2205.Have no idea what the B3350 is.

The devil is in the details, even if they are very small details
While the B3350 does have higher GPM total, the steering system takes more to run thus leaving less for other operations.

B3350
Total = 8.7
Steering = 3.7
Main = 5

L2501
Total = 8.28
Steering = 3.13
Main = 5.15

I do understand this is just a fart in the wind of a difference.

 

[lescarpentier]

The devil is in the details, even if they are very small details

The B3350 WSM says pressure should be 2400 to 2450 psi.
The L2501 pressure is listed as 2205.

Do you suppose this additional pressure would make an appreciable difference in performance?

Yes,the devil is in the details.

 

[Tunaslayer]

Well, I know very little about the science if hydraulics, but I have learned enough about these machine to know that they come from the factory with a very high safety margin for the pressures. Once my warranty expires, I will be shimming my tractor up a couple hundred PSI, in hopes of some noticeable gains. It is easy for me to see how the B3350 would create higher pressure at a greater GPM when it spins 300 rpm higher that the L2501. Probably uses a very similar pump. Also, I do understand the limitations of the machine I decided on. It was the most tractor I could afford. It may not have all the bells and whistles, and a high HP number, but I am sure it will beat digging and loading by hand. From my limited experience in the seat, the more weight when doing dirt work, the better. It take less of a toll on the machine and operator.

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

The B3350 WSM says pressure should be 2400 to 2450 psi.
The L2501 pressure is listed as 2205.

Do you suppose this additional pressure would make an appreciable difference in performance?

Yes,the devil is in the details.

Yes quite possibly, and most likely!
With those #'s the B3350 should out perform the L2501.

And with that being said, Have you tested your hydraulic pressures out to find out if your up to pressure specs?
I say this because IMHO it's very uncommon for a backhoe that is on a proper operating system (which your is / or should be) to not have the power to be able to lift the rear of the tractor off the ground fairly easily, even with fully loaded tires and wheel weights.

 

[lescarpentier]

Yes quite possibly, and most likely!
With those #'s the B3350 should out perform the L2501.

And with that being said, Have you tested your hydraulic pressures out to find out if your up to pressure specs?
I say this because IMHO it's very uncommon for a backhoe that is on a proper operating system (which your is / or should be) to not have the power to be able to lift the rear of the tractor off the ground fairly easily, even with fully loaded tires and wheel weights.

No,I haven't taken a pressure reading and that is a good point you make,and also a good reason why I shouldn't have used the blanket word fact prematurely.On another forum a member tested his hydraulic pressure on his B3350C and found it to be 2050 psi so I guess that it is safe to assume that mine would be low too.I am the original owner so if it was checked at all the dealer would have to be the one who performed the check.On a thread,(not sure which forum) a new owner of an
L2501 was complaining that his hoe wouldn't lift the rear tires off of the ground with loaded tires so I also considered this when I made the statement.I didn't follow the thread any further as I decided on the B3350 instead.Guess it's time for me to get my own WSM and a gauge set.Thanks for the response!

 

[Tunaslayer]

Just wanted to close this one out. The tractor fits the trailer, and I have about a foot of adjustment forward and backwards to adjust the weight. Basically just watched the truck, and when it dropped a couple inches, held it there. The cam super-line is a dream on the highway. Can hold 60-65 with little effort out of the 5.0 ford. Anyway, the tractor will lift the tires up, but you have to take advantage of the curl to do so, main dipper and boom will not lift her up. I'm ok with that, as I am mainly stumping, and trenching. It is a TANK, and I would take that trade off for agility for my work. Can lift a lot of wood with no rear counter weight!

Trying to stay out of hairy situations until I get a little better on the sticks.

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[fendley]

Do you have the part number for the thumb on your backhoe? I have looked it up online, but have come up with 2 different part numbers, and no pricing info.

Thanks.