Kubota M9960 regen red light

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I think its not emissions problem..Some things else..The tractor start fine run normal..
I'm a little confused. So the light came on and you took the tractor to the dealer who figured that the DPF needed to be replaced. You didn't want to pay for that so you installed an emulator to "trick" the ECU into thinking that all was good, but the light stayed on. Is this an accurate summary? Also, you're saying that other than the light being on the tractor runs and operates fine?

Did you remove the DPF system or is it still under the hood and connected?
 

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I'm a little confused. So the light came on and you took the tractor to the dealer who figured that the DPF needed to be replaced. You didn't want to pay for that so you installed an emulator to "trick" the ECU into thinking that all was good, but the light stayed on. Is this an accurate summary? Also, you're saying that other than the light being on the tractor runs and operates fine?

Did you remove the DPF system or is it still under the hood and connected?
Yes the light come on and i bring it to dealer they said my DPF is bad need replace.i just bought the tractor a month ago dont have enough $9000 to replace the DPF.And i installed the emulator but the light still on..
tractor run and operates fine with the light on

the picture can tell you what i have replace on the DPF..

today i call in same dealer ask them if they can clear the code.meet different tech.After explaining my situation and problems on the tractor she said look like your issue is not the DPF..And she sent me some picture..
 

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Yes the light come on and i bring it to dealer they said my DPF is bad need replace.i just bought the tractor a month ago dont have enough $9000 to replace the DPF.And i installed the emulator but the light still on..
tractor run and operates fine with the light on

the picture can tell you what i have replace on the DPF..

today i call in same dealer ask them if they can clear the code.meet different tech.After explaining my situation and problems on the tractor she said look like your issue is not the DPF..And she sent me some picture..
OK .... so the DPF has been replaced with a straight pipe, and the emulator needs to make sense of the inputs from the thermocouples pre and post the straight pipe. As was suggested, I'd be calling the company who sold you the emulator and straight pipe kit to see if this issue is related to the emulator since an issue with the ECU can cause the light to illuminate. If it's something else you'll have to trouble-shoot via the WSM to see what's causing the light to come on.
 
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OK .... so the DPF has been replaced with a straight pipe, and the emulator needs to make sense of the inputs from the thermocouples pre and post the straight pipe. As was suggested, I'd be calling the company who sold you the emulator and straight pipe kit to see if this issue is related to the emulator since an issue with the ECU can cause the light to illuminate. If it's something else you'll have to trouble-shoot via the WSM to see what's causing the light to come on.
Thanks you..Tomorrow i will go a head and buy oil pressure tester to see if the issues relate to that or not..Anyway thanks you so much for helping me
 

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Why not just put the DPF back on and fix whatever problem the EASY CHECK light is signaling?
 
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NOT to make fun of anyone, with PDF and DPW and PSTD this has been the funniest thread I've read in a long time, while it's also quite interesting.

It's this a mechanical injector system?
 

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NOT to make fun of anyone, with PDF and DPW and PSTD this has been the funniest thread I've read in a long time, while it's also quite interesting.

It's this a mechanical injector system?
i dont know yet..have to trouble shot first..right now only 2 light come on..
1 engine light and stay on from ignition to started
2 low pressure oil light on when ignition but turn off when engine started
 

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1/ the check engine light on b4 i installed DPF by pass kit.The DPF filter is still on the tractor i only replace the middle one with the pipe come with the PDF Kits.
2/ Yes the Emulattor come with all the connector..temperature sensor,differential presure sensor and rail fuel pressure sensor
3/The tractor never got over heat befor..

i saw when put the key to ignition both oil presure light and check engine light stay on..But when i start the key the oil presure light come off..Dont know if the problem is oil pressure..
That's normal operation for the oil pressure light to be on when the ignition is on and engine is not running.

Did you actually take it into a dealer and have them run a scan on it?

It's possible that it may not have overheated, but the system is saying that it did hence why the light is locked on.

Do you have the WSM?
 
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That's normal operation for the oil pressure light to be on when the ignition is on and engine is not running.

Did you actually take it into a dealer and have them run a scan on it?

It's possible that it may not have overheated, but the system is saying that it did hence why the light is locked on.

Do you have the WSM?
I dont know if its overheat or not but the tractor started up and run like normal..
lwhen the light turn on i did take it to dealer they said my DPF is bad need to replace..Today same dealer when i call in they said its something else not the DPF…Anyway i will take it to dealer tomorrow if my friends he got time towing it to dealer..
i do have the WSM but they are .pdf not a book..
 
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i dont think it relate to the DPF..The light come on befor i replace the DPF
Reimer Tuning includes a Denso DPF reset tool with their programmer for similar tractors to yours. If the reset tool isn't installed, the ECU will record but not report a DPF related code after a set number of hours (around 15 hours I think). The ECU will start to log but not report DPF warnings levels and go through PM warning level 1, PM warning level 2-1 and then sound an alarm and illuminate a bulb at PM warning level 2-2. If the Denso DPF reset tool is installed it will reset the ECU "clock" every time the tractor is started.

Obviously I have no idea of what your problem is but it's just another possible piece of the puzzle. Good luck in your troubleshooting.
 
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Reimer Tuning includes a Denso DPF reset tool with their programmer for similar tractors to yours. If the reset tool isn't installed, the ECU will record but not report a DPF related code after a set number of hours (around 15 hours I think). The ECU will start to log but not report DPF warnings levels and go through PM warning level 1, PM warning level 2-1 and then sound an alarm and illuminate a bulb at PM warning level 2-2. If the Denso DPF reset tool is installed it will reset the ECU "clock" every time the tractor is started.

Obviously I have no idea of what your problem is but it's just another possible piece of the puzzle. Good luck in your troubleshooting.
Thanks you..I have no idea if the Denso installed or not..I read the WSM of my m9960 the light is for DPF regen..level 4-5 but there is no buzzing sound continuously..Just only the light is on 😂..
 

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Aren't emissions systems warranted for longer than the tractor by quite a good amount? The M9960 is what, 2000-2004, so emissions systems should be under warranty? Maybe?
M9960 was last made in 2015/16. I had difficulty finding one when I bought mine in late 2016. Don't know if any were sold in 2017 or later.
 
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I believe most (all??) emissions warranties are 10 years.

Edit - looks like its a minimum of 8 years by federal law.

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From Kubota's Owner's Warranty Information Guide valid for all products sold on or after January 1, 2023.

Kubota Tractor Corporation
Federal California Emission Control Systems Limited Warranty for
Non-Road Engines (Compression Ignition or CI)
The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the California Air Resources Board (CARB), and
KUBOTA Corporation (KUBOTA) are pleased to explain the Federal and California Emission
Control System Warranty on your non-road engine. In California, new 2023 model year heavy duty offroad
engines must be designed, built and equipped to meet California’s stringent anti-smog standards
adopted by the Air Resources Board pursuant to its authority in Chapter 1 and 2, Part 5, Division 26 of
the California Health and Safety Code. In other states of the U.S.A., new non-road engines subject to the
provisions of 40 CFR 1039 subpart A must be designed, built and equipped, at the time of sale, to meet
the U.S. EPA regulations.
KUBOTA must warrant the emission control system on your Compression Ignition engine for the period
of time listed below provided there has been no abuse, vandalism, neglect, improper maintenance or
unapproved modifications to your engine.
This emission warranty is applicable in all states of the U.S.A., its territories regardless of whether an
individual state, province, or territory has enacted warranty provisions that differ from the Federal
warranty provisions.
Your emission control system may include parts such as the fuel injection system and the air induction
system. Also included may be hoses, belts, connectors and other emission-related assemblies.
Where a warrantable condition exists, KUBOTA will repair your engine at no cost to you, including
diagnosis (if the diagnostic work is performed at an authorized dealer), parts and labor.
EMISSION DESIGN AND DEFECT WARRANTY COVERAGE
The emissions warranty period for the engine begins on the original date of sale to the initial purchaser
and continues for each subsequent purchaser for the period mentioned below.
If any emission related part on your engine is defective, the part will be repaired or replaced by KUBOTA
free of charge.
Page | 12
Coverage Periods
1. For non-road, Compression Ignition engines
The emissions warranty period for all engines rated under 19kW (~25 HP) is 2000 hours of operation or
two (2) years of use, whichever first occurs.
The emissions warranty period for constant speed engines rated under 37kW (50HP) with rated speeds
greater than or equal to 3000 rpm is 2000 hours of operation or two (2) years of use, whichever occurs
first.
The emissions warranty period for all other engines not already listed is 3000 hours of operation or five
(5) years of use, whichever first occurs.

If any emission related part on your engine is defective, the part will be repaired or replaced by KUBOTA
free of charge.
 

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From Kubota's Owner's Warranty Information Guide valid for all products sold on or after January 1, 2023.

Kubota Tractor Corporation
Federal California Emission Control Systems Limited Warranty for
Non-Road Engines (Compression Ignition or CI)
The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the California Air Resources Board (CARB), and
KUBOTA Corporation (KUBOTA) are pleased to explain the Federal and California Emission
Control System Warranty on your non-road engine. In California, new 2023 model year heavy duty offroad
engines must be designed, built and equipped to meet California’s stringent anti-smog standards
adopted by the Air Resources Board pursuant to its authority in Chapter 1 and 2, Part 5, Division 26 of
the California Health and Safety Code. In other states of the U.S.A., new non-road engines subject to the
provisions of 40 CFR 1039 subpart A must be designed, built and equipped, at the time of sale, to meet
the U.S. EPA regulations.
KUBOTA must warrant the emission control system on your Compression Ignition engine for the period
of time listed below provided there has been no abuse, vandalism, neglect, improper maintenance or
unapproved modifications to your engine.
This emission warranty is applicable in all states of the U.S.A., its territories regardless of whether an
individual state, province, or territory has enacted warranty provisions that differ from the Federal
warranty provisions.
Your emission control system may include parts such as the fuel injection system and the air induction
system. Also included may be hoses, belts, connectors and other emission-related assemblies.
Where a warrantable condition exists, KUBOTA will repair your engine at no cost to you, including
diagnosis (if the diagnostic work is performed at an authorized dealer), parts and labor.
EMISSION DESIGN AND DEFECT WARRANTY COVERAGE
The emissions warranty period for the engine begins on the original date of sale to the initial purchaser
and continues for each subsequent purchaser for the period mentioned below.
If any emission related part on your engine is defective, the part will be repaired or replaced by KUBOTA
free of charge.
Page | 12
Coverage Periods
1. For non-road, Compression Ignition engines
The emissions warranty period for all engines rated under 19kW (~25 HP) is 2000 hours of operation or
two (2) years of use, whichever first occurs.
The emissions warranty period for constant speed engines rated under 37kW (50HP) with rated speeds
greater than or equal to 3000 rpm is 2000 hours of operation or two (2) years of use, whichever occurs
first.
The emissions warranty period for all other engines not already listed is 3000 hours of operation or five
(5) years of use, whichever first occurs.

If any emission related part on your engine is defective, the part will be repaired or replaced by KUBOTA
free of charge.
Bingo.

As demonstrated by the OP's experience, we are witnessing the tip of the iceberg.

Years ago, while debating others in other forums vis a vis the present and future costs to consumers of expensive emissions regulations of questionable (at best) value, I predicted just what we are beginning to see.

Machines with DPFs, etc., are now reaching operating hours and elapsed times when mandated emissions warranties are expiring and such expensive emissions equipment, e.g., DPFs are failing. This was entirely predictable (and predicted) to no avail.

As this is the tip of the iceberg, one can only wonder what will happen when more and more such machines require expensive repairs to emissions systems. Will expensive replacement DPFs even be available in quantities necessary to service machines with only 5 or so years of service? If so, at what cost?

Again, I will predict a likely future: Unless current nonsensical emissions regulations are rolled back, unlike generations past when farm machinery was routinely used for decades, even generations, one should expect to find scrap yards filled with 10-15 year-old equipment retired with years of service life remaining because it has become no longer cost-effefctive to repair failed emissions systems rendering such equipment unuseable.

FWIW, the issues with off-road DPF systems will pale in comparison to the inevitable issues with off-road DEF systems, and such systems will inevitably pale in comparison to the inevitable monumental issues with on-road DEF systems, e.g., your diesel PU trucks.

Stay tuned.
 
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Clean your filter
The first video is a complete joke and waste of time!

The second video is good, but he does another video that's even better.

You can get them professionally cleaned too.
 
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