Kubota M8

[ItBmine]

The new Canadian built M8 is up on the web site now. Not sure if this has been posted here yet.

This is the result of the partnership with Versatile tractors built in Manitoba.

Kubota gains a bigger tractor and Versatile will gain the Kubota KVT variable transmission for their tractors.

https://kubota.ca/en/m8

 

[SDT]

The new Canadian built M8 is up on the web site now. Not sure if this has been posted here yet.

This is the result of the partnership with Versatile tractors built in Manitoba.

Kubota gains a bigger tractor and Versatile will gain the Kubota KVT variable transmission for their tractors.

https://kubota.ca/en/m8

Thanks for the link.

I especially like the analog gauges.

SDT

 

[SidecarFlip]

Gotta love the size of the 'one box'. Looks just like the JD one box. Kubota is trying to break into the large ag market that JD has dominated for decades. I wish them luck. JD has a much more defined dealer network than Kubota has.

Considering an M5 is around 175 grand, I'm sure this one is north of 230. Not a homeowners unit.

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

A kubota with a cummins powering it, that's a twist!

I'll take 2 please!
That way I'll have bigger tractors than SidecarFlip!

 

[SDT]

A kubota with a cummins powering it, that's a twist!

I'll take 2 please!
That way I'll have bigger tractors than SidecarFlip!

Don't hold your breath.

I'm bettin', that the Versatile/Cummins consortium is not intended to be permanent.

Kubota is, after all, a Japanese company.

Stay tuned.

SDT

 

[SidecarFlip]

A kubota with a cummins powering it, that's a twist!

I'll take 2 please!
That way I'll have bigger tractors than SidecarFlip!

You 'need' one or 2......

Better forget about that new home. the payment will be forever and costly.

Mine aren't that big M9's, just pre emissions. Bulldog and I have identical units and they do identical jobs.

Versatile and Steiger were always niche tractors and neither ever developed a dealer / service network worth beans. Consequently, they stayed niche tractors.

There are a few Steigers around here, mostly engine forward flat back models. No Versatile's at all.

I'm not sure about Kubta making inroads against JD in the large ag market. Deere has had decades to develop their product but more importantly the line of machines and related implements and accessories.

The selling point if you want to call it that is JD can offer a very complete package, from motive power to tillage implements and everything in between whereas Kubota cannot (at this time at least, except hay equipment).

It remains to be seen if it's a good move or not. I have my reservations.

My daler has has an M5-151 sitting on the lot all summer is that is any indication of sales and he sells a boatload of Kubota's, just not that big.

Far as the Cummins engine, Cummins is big in the larger ag market. You look at a IH, the big ones will have a Cummins under the hood and I would imagine that Versatile already had a licensing agreement with Cummins for motive power.

 

[SidecarFlip]

Don't hold your breath.

I'm bettin', that the Versatile/Cummins consortium is not intended to be permanent.

Kubota is, after all, a Japanese company.

Stay tuned.

SDT

Who knows. After all, Kubota bought the European manufacturer (name escapes me right now) to offer the M5 series and all their hay tools are also European made and branded Kubota. Probably bought at a bargain basement price I suspect.

The new rotary rake I have my eye on is branded Kubota and painted in Kubota colors (grey and orange) but was certainly not built in Georgia or Japan but in Europe and the European 'flavor' is very noticeable.

I can / could see Kubota buying Landpride / Great Plains for the implement line because those inmplements are geared toward smaller utility tractors. Landpride / Great Plains don't produce (at this time) large tillage implements but that may change too.

The issue is, the ag market in general is pretty saturated and farmers are leverage out and facing a bad crop year so buying / upgrading equipment is on the back burner right now. Paying due notes and surviving another year without going tits up is way more important right now.

I strongly suspect that here in Michigan and Ohio, we will see quite a few liquidation auction as producers are unable to pay for what they already have and are paying on. Payments don't stop just because the crop is poor or not planted and crop insurance will cover some of the loss but certainly won't give them any cushion.

Besides, we all know who pays for the crop insurance they get.....

 

[Treckerzeug]

Who knows. After all, Kubota bought the European manufacturer (name escapes me right now) to offer the M5 series and all their hay tools are also European made and branded Kubota. Probably bought at a bargain basement price I suspect.

The new rotary rake I have my eye on is branded Kubota and painted in Kubota colors (grey and orange) but was certainly not built in Georgia or Japan but in Europe and the European 'flavor' is very noticeable.

hello,

The company kubota bought 2-3 years ago was named
Kverneland and has historically been a plough manufacturer who bought a couple of companiess before being bought,
E.g
Vicon
PZ piet zweegers
Accord
Rau
And so on,
The question is if these mergers are good for the end customers and /or for the dealers.
There is three to four immensely big groups now as deere, agco, cnh, claas and [deutz-fahr same lamborghini hürlimann]

Interesting what comes out of it...

 

[Treckerzeug]

The new Canadian built M8 is up on the web site now. Not sure if this has been posted here yet.

This is the result of the partnership with Versatile tractors built in Manitoba.

Kubota gains a bigger tractor and Versatile will gain the Kubota KVT variable transmission for their tractors.

https://kubota.ca/en/m8

Hello,

Over the pond in europe the journalists give the info, that both available gear boxes 6 x powershift and CVT are from ZF, which stands for zahnradfabrik friedrichshafen, so these kubotas have the same gear boxes as some john deere 6xxx and Deutz-Fahr



Beim Getriebe haben Käufer die Wahl zwischen einem CVT-Triebsatz und einer 6-fach-Lastschaltung, die Kubota beide von ZF bezieht (TMT Terramatic und TPT Terrapower).

Robert

 

[SidecarFlip]

Who knows. After all, Kubota bought the European manufacturer (name escapes me right now) to offer the M5 series and all their hay tools are also European made and branded Kubota. Probably bought at a bargain basement price I suspect.

The new rotary rake I have my eye on is branded Kubota and painted in Kubota colors (grey and orange) but was certainly not built in Georgia or Japan but in Europe and the European 'flavor' is very noticeable.

hello,

The company kubota bought 2-3 years ago was named
Kverneland and has historically been a plough manufacturer who bought a couple of companiess before being bought,
E.g
Vicon
PZ piet zweegers
Accord
Rau
And so on,
The question is if these mergers are good for the end customers and /or for the dealers.
There is three to four immensely big groups now as deere, agco, cnh, claas and [deutz-fahr same lamborghini hürlimann]

Interesting what comes out of it...

That is it, could not remember the name. I know the Kubota round balers look like an Orange and Grey Vicon.

If I had my druthers and didn't have an almost new New Holland 450 twine / net baler, I'd buy a Claas.

 

[nickelplated5s]

That 6.7 is probably just a detuned motor Ram's run. It's also the only reason I would consider a Dodge though.

 

[SidecarFlip]

I believe it's an ISX family engine but I'm with you on a Dodge (FCA) truck. You couldn't give me one.

 

[ItBmine]

Gotta love the size of the 'one box'. Looks just like the JD one box. Kubota is trying to break into the large ag market that JD has dominated for decades. I wish them luck. JD has a much more defined dealer network than Kubota has.

Considering an M5 is around 175 grand, I'm sure this one is north of 230. Not a homeowners unit.

Just to sidetrack for a minute here SidecarFlip....we ended up selling the 2013 DD15 I was talking to you about. I think it had the issue you were telling me about the cracked bellows in the One Box, because we had to replace the box. Probably explains the "trumpet" sound I kept hearing every time it neared needing a regen.

Anywat, got a 2020 Star now and went with the smaller DD13 set at 505 h.p. and 1850 torque. What an improvement!! It outpulls the old 505 DD15 and this will actually regen itself just idling around the pit.

Hope it stays working this way, because that DD15 had me hating life.

 

[ItBmine]

I believe it's an ISX family engine but I'm with you on a Dodge (FCA) truck. You couldn't give me one.

No, not ISX. Cummins is currently changing the nomenclature again, but it did go like this:

ISB (which is the 6.7 and also what is in the Ram) and it is a parent bore engine.

ISC 8.3 Litre. Wet sleeve.

ISM

ISX.

 

[ItBmine]

I think Kubota is getting into the large AG market the smart way. Re-brand the Versatile tractor, which is a good tractor, and they have always been all Cummins powered (and oddly Caterpillar transmissions, LOL) instead of spending millions to develop their own.

If you look at large tractor and combine sales in both Canada and the U.S. they are shockingly low.
So this way here Kubota can sell a few big tractors to farmers that will buy smaller Kubota utility and compact tractors. Because we all know how brand loyalty works.

 

[RCW]

Versatile has been around a long time, and I think built tractors for other brands over time.

Next door neighbor bought a Versatile-badged 895 or 875 few years ago. Nice machine for nearly 40 years old today.

I'm sure he got a lot of horsepower and weight for a very reasonable amount of dollars. Pulls a big set of discs real easy by the sound of it working.

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[SidecarFlip]

I think Kubota is getting into the large AG market the smart way. Re-brand the Versatile tractor, which is a good tractor, and they have always been all Cummins powered (and oddly Caterpillar transmissions, LOL) instead of spending millions to develop their own.

If you look at large tractor and combine sales in both Canada and the U.S. they are shockingly low.
So this way here Kubota can sell a few big tractors to farmers that will buy smaller Kubota utility and compact tractors. Because we all know how brand loyalty works.

Every farmer I know and associate with would never buy a compact tractor except maybe a lawnmower type.

Compact sub compact and small utility units are really the exclusive domain of residential and suburban users.

Maybe, but I doubt it.

The over 150 pto horsepower tractor arena is really hard to break into with the major players already there and established.

Wonder when Kubota will acquire a company that makes combines and silage choppers?

I think Great Plains / Landpride was a smart move. Not sure about the rest.

Having said that I will buy a new Kubota rake this fall to replace the H&S I have that is getting a bit old. I need to upgrade while the H&S still has some resale value. In fact I already have a buyer. Rotary hay rakes are the only way to fly. Learned that real quick. A rotary cuts my dry down time by at least a day, sometimes more and tedding is all but eliminated as is merging.

candidly, they only reason I don't run New Holland motive power is I don't like the 'Euro' look. I sure like their hay tools, I have a bunch.

Will see how it plays out, will be interesting to observe.

Finally, I'm color blind. I run what works and don't break down when I need it. Mid range Kubota's work for me and they are reliable as a rock (just so long as injection is mechanical).

 

[SidecarFlip]

Versatile has been around a long time, and I think built tractors for other brands over time.

Next door neighbor bought a Versatile-badged 895 or 875 few years ago. Nice machine for nearly 40 years old today.

I'm sure he got a lot of horsepower and weight for a very reasonable amount of dollars. Pulls a big set of discs real easy by the sound of it working.

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In reality weight is no good, tractive effort is. Why the major players are going to track machines. Track machines have less compaction and crop damage. Why I don't run loaded tires in my tractors. Don't need to be crushing hay plants with a heavy tractor. crush plants equal no profit.

Kubota did offer a tracked version in the mid range M series a while ago, not sure if it's still available.

While both mine are front wheel assist, I don't believe I have ever used it except for snow plowing in the winter. Never in a field.

 

[motionclone]

Every farmer I know and associate with would never buy a compact tractor except maybe a lawnmower type.

Compact sub compact and small utility units are really the exclusive domain of residential and suburban users.

When you "associate with" those people do you do it in a similar way you do here? If so have you been laughed at, walked away from while talking, have eyes rolled at you, been grumbled about by several people at once, punched in the mouth? Because if you acted in real life like you do here and youre in my neck of the woods thats what would happen to you.

 

[BAP]

When you "associate with" those people do you do it in a similar way you do here? If so have you been laughed at, walked away from while talking, have eyes rolled at you, been grumbled about by several people at once, punched in the mouth? Because if you acted in real life like you do here and youre in my neck of the woods thats what would happen to you.

That’s the best post yet in this thread. Same thing would happen in my area too.