Hydraulic options

[McMXi]

Thanks. When would you choose to connect to the SCD or FD (I had to Google what these stood for) pairs ?

All of the valves can act like simple DA valves, but the way I have the M set up I don't use the SCD valve the way it can be used, i.e. I don't lock it out and have it kick back to neutral when the flow dead heads. Typically I use it like a DA valve. The FD valves are mostly used like DA valves too, but for some tasks I do use float.

Your question reminded me that when I run the folding cutter this summer I'll be disconnecting the couplers that currently control the top link so that I can connect the hose from the cutter to float the wings. The hose for height control will connect to the 4X multiplier although it could connect to the remotes controlling the side link. I'll have to see which approach I prefer.

I'll probably follow @MtnViewRanch's suggestion to raise the 3-point all the way up, shorten both the top and side link cylinders as much as possible, disconnect the hoses and secure them out of the way. The folding cutter pulls off the drawbar so the 3-point isn't needed.

 

[Paul Allwood]

All of the valves can act like simple DA valves, but the way I have the M set up I don't use the SCD valve the way it can be used, i.e. I don't lock it out and have it kick back to neutral when the flow dead heads. Typically I use it like a DA valve. The FD valves are mostly used like DA valves too, but for some tasks I do use float.

Your question reminded me that when I run the folding cutter this summer I'll be disconnecting the couplers that currently control the top link so that I can connect the hose from the cutter to float the wings. The hose for height control will connect to the 4X multiplier although it could connect to the remotes controlling the side link. I'll have to see which approach I prefer.

I'll probably follow @MtnViewRanch's suggestion to raise the 3-point all the way up, shorten both the top and side link cylinders as much as possible, disconnect the hoses and secure them out of the way. The folding cutter pulls off the drawbar so the 3-point isn't needed.

I meant to comment earlier that the inside of your tractor looks fancier and cleaner than the inside of my car.

 

[TheOldHokie]

@TheOldHokie G'day Dan - I've had a go at updating my sketch to include a 3-spool manual valve mounted on the right fender to supply rear remotes. Does this look ok ?

I agree that panel mounting the remote quick connects makes it neat and also easy to use.

Is there a reason for all female quick connects for remotes ? Before you said that I would have guessed that a male and female for each pair would have made more sense.

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Since I'm thinking I'll add a manual valve for 3 rear remotes, I'm wondering if the best option might be to:
- Move the current manual 3 spool loader valve to the right fender
- For a standard joystick loader valve such as this one from Summit Hydraulics https://summit-hydraulics.com/produ...pm/?attribute_float-option=Single+Spool+Float
- Add a 3rd function for a grapple such as this one from Summit Hydraulics https://summit-hydraulics.com/product/hydraulic-third-function-valve-kit-w-joystick-handle-for-tractor-loader-13-gpm/?attribute_quick-couplers=1/2"+Agricultural
- Use a standard backhoe valve such as this one from Summit Hydraulics https://summit-hydraulics.com/produ...l-control-valve-w-2-joysticks-6-spool-11-gpm/

The loader valve and 3rd function kit is something that you suggested some time ago. This would give me one float spool on the rear remotes which would be good for a hydraulic top link.

Thoughts ?

You got it. A new two spool joystick loader valve and an electric 3rd function valve up front for the loader snd grapple. Thats the standard OEM design.

Relocate the 3 spool manual valve to the fender for rear remotes. Backhoe outkets would then be plumbed off the rear remote monoblock valve. That should pretty much fully dress out your 4 GPM B7200.

Standard AG connection for rear remores is 1/2" body ISO 5675 female couplers. They come in lots of styles.

The backhoe is typically a matched female socket and male tip with the socket rigidly mounted ti the frsme and the tip on a length of hose so it can be looped back.

Let your imagination fly. My advjce is whatever style you use the remotes should provide breakaway and one hand push-pull operation. Also keep in mind your remotes need to be located so as not to interfere with the backhoe mounting.

My original orange panel mounting location wont work with a backhoe. It used two-way sleeve female couplers for everything. The two female constant flow (backhoe/log splitter) outlets were controlled by a push-pull selector vakve that eliminated the need for a loopback hose. I had it mounted just to the right of the operators seat. Its added cost but worked beautifully.




i abandoned all of that for the rigid base mounted sleeveless couplers. The ones I used also allow connect/disconnect with both halves under pressuure. I am currently revising it again. This style coupler is what you will find on high dollar agricultural machines.

 

[Paul Allwood]

You got it. A new two spool joystick loader valve and an electric 3rd function valve up front for the loader snd grapple. Thats the standard OEM design.

Relocate the 3 spool manual valve to the fender for rear remotes. Backhoe outkets would then be plumbed off the rear remote monoblock valve. That should pretty much fully dress out your 4 GPM B7200.

Standard AG connection for rear remores is 1/2" body ISO 5675 female couplers. They come in lots of styles.

The backhoe is typically a matched female socket and male tip with the socket rigidly mounted ti the frsme and the tip on a length of hose so it can be looped back.

Let your imagination fly. My advjce is whatever style you use the remotes should provide breakaway and one hand push-pull operation. Also keep in mind your remotes need to be located so as not to interfere with the backhoe mounting.

My original orange panel mounting location wont work with a backhoe. It used two-way sleeve female couplers for everything. The two female constant flow (backhoe/log splitter) outlets were controlled by a push-pull selector vakve that eliminated the need for a loopback hose. I had it mounted just to the right of the operators seat. Its added cost but worked beautifully.

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i abandoned all of that for the rigid base mounted sleeveless couplers. The ones I used also allow connect/disconnect with both halves under pressuure. I am currently revising it again. This style coupler is what you will find on high dollar agricultural machines.

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Thanks again Dan for your help and input....and patience. It's appreciated.

 

[TheOldHokie]

Thanks again Dan for your help and input....and patience. It's appreciated.

You are welcome. Take some time to think about what you actually need. Its very easy to get carried away.

Dan

 

[McMXi]

My advjce is whatever style you use the remotes should provide breakaway and one hand push-pull operation.

Do you have those type of couplers on your 3rd function?

 

[TheOldHokie]

Do you have those type of couplers on your 3rd function?

 

[McMXi]

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And there I was thinking I was being facetious.

I've only ever struggled to connect an implement on one occasion and that was the grapple to the third function. The problem wasn't on the tractor side, it was on the implement side so I ended up breaking a coupler loose on the attachment to relieve pressure. I've had all kinds of rear couplers on tractors and I just don't have a need for one-handed, break-away types on the rear remotes. I run a lot of implements with hydraulics without issue, but I'll take the non-leaking type above all others.

The MX factory rear remote couplers are nice, and they don't leak and haven't after almost 5 years so I think they're good to go. You mentioned that the Faster leak fest pieces of junk that came on my M6060 have been superseded but they're too expensive to take a risk on. I went with Ag couplers from Summit Hydraulics and I'm pleased with the quality and performance.