Ih ad a guy tell me the other daytell me you loose 9 hpwith a hydrostatic drive. I hve L3800 HST and was wondering. Now,this guy is known for blowing smoke too so it may be BS.
HST HP loss
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They are both 37.4 HP bud, both the DT and HST models. The HST model is 1.5 HP less at the pto, that's about it. He is blowing smoke, lol. 
http://kubota.ca/en/products.aspx?trail=0|30|37&prodid=91
http://kubota.ca/en/products.aspx?trail=0|30|37&prodid=91
All drive systems lose power through the drivetrain- hence real wheel horsepower versus crankshaft horsepower. That has nothing to do with HST, but normal loss through the drivetrain. The loss on an HST is negligable- you don't feel it or know it's missing. What do you even have to reference it to? Not only is he blowing smoke, but it is one of those arguments that has no value. An HST is a fluid drive, but it isn't like an automatic with a torque converter. You get power through an HST- it is just applied differently. They are plenty strong.
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As I thought. I have 20 yrs exp in outboard repair so I do undestand flywheel HP verses prop shaft HP. Like I said ,he is one of those guys who looks for the cheapest deal instead of studying application. He drives Dodges if that tells ya anything.
Whoa- I drive a Dodge. Nothing wrong with that. I prefer my Dodge over any other truck brand that I've owned- Ford, Chevy, Nissan, and Toyota.As I thought. I have 20 yrs exp in outboard repair so I do undestand flywheel HP verses prop shaft HP. Like I said ,he is one of those guys who looks for the cheapest deal instead of studying application. He drives Dodges if that tells ya anything.
You do loose a little pto HP and I always have heard a 40% loss in pulling power. I don't think Kubota looses quite that much but some of the other brands probably do and maybe more.
Good friend of mine has a brand new Kubota 5740 HST. I have used it a few times now and while it is a beautiful tractor with a full feature cab I found it to very underwhelming in the pulling department.
Just from the feel of it it feels like my old Zetor 5211 could haul it all over any field I have. And my Zetor is only 2 wheel drive.
I have no idea how much if any HST takes away from pulling power but just by seat of pants observation I was not impressed with that 5740 at all. Never was a fan of HST for a field tractor anyway.
Just from the feel of it it feels like my old Zetor 5211 could haul it all over any field I have. And my Zetor is only 2 wheel drive.
I have no idea how much if any HST takes away from pulling power but just by seat of pants observation I was not impressed with that 5740 at all. Never was a fan of HST for a field tractor anyway.
You are probably pushing the pedal all the way down in too high of a gear. Think of the hst pedal like a gear shifter, the further you push it the faster you go, but the less power you have. My HST will outpull my massey I had, and it was a gear tractor. HST is a little different, most people want to push the pedal all the way down looking for more power, but that is the exact wrong thing to do. My hst will put enough power to the ground to spin all 4 tires with little effort.Good friend of mine has a brand new Kubota 5740 HST. I have used it a few times now and while it is a beautiful tractor with a full feature cab I found it to very underwhelming in the pulling department.
Just from the feel of it it feels like my old Zetor 5211 could haul it all over any field I have. And my Zetor is only 2 wheel drive.
I have no idea how much if any HST takes away from pulling power but just by seat of pants observation I was not impressed with that 5740 at all. Never was a fan of HST for a field tractor anyway.
It wasn't like I didn't try many conbos on the selectors, just couldn't find one that I was comfortable with. And as I said I come into it with the bias that I just don't and never have liked HST tractors.
i do alot of work with the loader and root rake,pushing ,dragging and lifting to and from the burn pile. The hst is much quicker and simpler than a shuttle shift trust me. Plus I can put anybody on this thing and they are working, no training with clutch etc. I also beleiev when I sell this thing the HST will sell anew operator quickly.
I also beleiev when I sell this thing the HST will sell anew operator quickly.
Very true. There is a valid reason why 90+% of all compact and mid-size tractors are HST- it's because that's what sells.
Very true. There is a valid reason why 90+% of all compact and mid-size tractors are HST- it's because that's what sells.
I am just thankful they still offer standard transmissions. If I had to buy an HST I most likely would have gone for something else.
HST sells but in the case of a Grand L cab tractor what other option do you have, none. The numbers have no other way to go but up when nothing else is running against them.
Could be that HST sales are high because of lack of choice instead of want or need. I don't like change but I agree with DooRules and Bluegill on this one, I would change brands before being forced to buy a HST tractor.
And I would switch brands if I had to buy a geared transmission. yall can have those damn things.
We've had this discussion more than a couple times! We don't need to do it again, but we probably will...
We all get what we want, for now anyway.
I'm into orange gears right now, but who knows, might be green in a few years?
We all get what we want, for now anyway.
I'm into orange gears right now, but who knows, might be green in a few years?