Honda EU2000I generator

Stmar

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I have a Honda EU2000I for my backup to my backup. We have grid plus solar, batteries and inverter for a whole house UPS system. When there is no sun I have it wired so I can plug in the Honda to charge the battery bank. I rarely use the generator, try to find a way once in a while. I do start it every month and let it run an hour or more. This time it took an effort to start, maybe 20 pulls. At first it had to have the choke on to run but when it warmed up it ran normally. I shut it down and it started first pull, did this several times. My question is: After a generator has set for a time what can you do to make starting easier, on me and the generator? There is a choke but no throttle, that is automatic, so I am wondering if there is a way to get the gas through the system before putting forth so much effort. It seems that once it starts the first time it is easy. If you pull easy on the starter rope will that flow the gas through the system?
P.S. I do use 91 octane treated gas, StaBil, and try to keep it fresh. Sometimes I even find non ethanol.
 
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Tughill Tom

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My Old 2000 was a bear to start when the temp was below 30 F or so, would take 20 or so pull's to get it going. I always tried to warm it up before starting and went to 5W-30 oil for cold weather operation. Great little generators thou.
 

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There is usually a fuel filter on these. You should change it once in awhile if you haven't . I'm surprised you're using 91 octane. I use 87 octane treated with Stabil . Mine sets for a year sometimes and always starts on the first or second pull.
 

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I know it is a subject of discussion but we have used the highest octane fuel we can get in all of our engines; ATVs, lawnmowers, tractors (before diesel), cars, trucks, weed eaters, etc. Years ago my mechanic said to use premium and it would mitigate problems and so far so good.
I will check out the fuel filter and see how it looks, thanks for the tip. I was trying to figure out how to get the fuel circulating to the plug after it has sat for a while.
 

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You may want to add a primer bulb to it. Look at a snowmobile primer. These pump fuel directly into the carburetor intake.

On some of my engines I have added a primer bulb (like a outboard boat fuel tank has) then a fuel shutoff then see through filter then carb.

When I am done using the engine I turn off the fuel and let it run out of gas. When I need to start it I turn on the shutoff, then pump the bulb to get fuel flowing into the filter and give it a couple of extra pumps. Usually starts right up or is a little flooded so starts after a few cranks.


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Generators are one engine that often suffer from fuel degradation/varnish etc. It's possible some has built up in you carb or there was a spec of crap somewhere. Give it another start and see how it goes. Also fuel may be bleeding out of the pulse pump if it has one, (the diaphrams get hard over time and don't seal) making it a lot more work to initially get fuel to the carb. Another way, next time try with a completely full tank of fuel. These are great little generators, Honda's premier sales item.
 

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Okay, a few things. Seafoam added to the fuel (also use stabil marine for the ethanol part) will help. The EU2000's come with a drain pipe from the carb. Open the cover and you will see a screw attached to a pinkish hose. Turn the screw and it drains the bowl for storage. problem is that the fuel is still in the small passage way where the jet is. I installed a shut off valve in the fuel lines, but my arm fell off when I needed to turn it on and pull the cord until it pumped enough fuel into the carb to start. Primer bulb might have to be the next try when I have time. You ordinarily do not need such a thing, so putting it under the cover would be fine. If you do not know how to clean the carb, it is easy. Removing the covers, air cleaner, and then dropping the bowl. You will find the carb bowl screw threads is also where the jet is. unscrew, clean out with cleaner and wire, and reassemble. Like new. You can also order a new jet, and just replace. Around $5, the Honda 99101-ZG0-0620 Jet Main (#62) is the standard jet. I have dual-redundancy with two hooked up, so I can power one down for any reason without losing power. Love the EU's.
 

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Thanks for all the tips. The shut-off and primer bulb are great ideas and should be doable. I know that the bulb works great on my ancient lawn mower and rototiller, I even have one on my Honda Foreman so adding one to the gen makes sense.
If you happen to have pics of your setups that would be helpful to determine location of additions. You can PM me if you don't want to post public.
 

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Try giving it 3 or 4 pulls and if it doesn't start leave it alone for a minute then try again, works great for all my small engines.
 

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Try giving it 3 or 4 pulls and if it doesn't start leave it alone for a minute then try again, works great for all my small engines.
You may be on to something there, seemed like when I pulled it many times till I got tired then quit and rested for a minute it started. I will try that next time, probably won't do the bulb and cutoff until the weather gets better.
 

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Generators and boat motors.

They sit, a lot. Fuel not only varnishes, but before it even does that, evaporation causes issues. The "good" parts of gasoline evaporate out and leave the junk behind, and this happens kinda slowly, starting at around 2 weeks from the time it gets pumped into your fuel can from the gas station. Yes 2 weeks. Less in the summer months.

Here is something else I learned about fuel. Winter vs summer. There is summer blended fuel and winter blended fuel. Winter blend is formulated to evaporate a little better when run through a car engine, so that the engine warms up quicker. But the downside is that if you have any left over, pour it into the generator (or atv, whatever)-and the air temp is higher than, as low as 80 degrees, the fuel can actually boil. I have a video of boiling fuel in a 6 gallon portable fuel tank, took it a couple years ago when a guy brought in his boat because it wouldn't run right...turned out to be winter fuel. Soon as I pulled the cap off, you could literally watch it boil. It happens. When it's boiling, some of it is evaporating. Gasoline molecules are tiny and they can escape right through fuel lines if they're not EPA certified low-permeation lines. Notice I said "LOW" permeation-to my knowledge no line is "no permeation". It runs through the rubber lines slow enough that you never smell it either. Many don't understand this, but that's what happens. Summer blended fuel lasts a little longer, but the 2 week rule should still be applied.

something else that many don't consider is application. Gasoline is designed specifically for CARS, and all cars (well 99.99% of them) are fuel injected, which EFI cars don't have a need for a higher boiling point. So when gas is used in a small engine, that small engine may or may not run quite right, and it seems to be worse with older engines that have old style carburetors. Remember the old Briggs flo-jet carbs? The carb was bolted directly to the gas tank, then the muffler was an inch away from it. They'll still work today but not optimally obviously.

octane. THe best octane fuel is the lowest octane that your engine will run on without detonation. A 6:1 briggs will be happy with 87 octane. Heck it'd probably be happy with 76 octane. Running "the good stuff" is a waste of money most of the time. It also has a tendency to carbon foul the combustion chambers, piston tops, and piston rings quite a bit more than the cheap stuff does. And another thing about high octane. "Most" cars and trucks are designed to run on 87 octane with up to 10% ethanol (E-10) without issue. That means that if a gas station has 3 10,000 gallon tanks underground with 87 in one, 89 in another, and 93 in the other tank, the 87 octane tank will be bone dry long before the 89 and 93. So the "good stuff" sits in the tanks longer-and is more likely to go sour and/or develop condensate moisture. Another reason to stick with the cheap stuff.

Ethanol. Most engines since the 1990's will be fine with E-10. Non-ethanol fuels typically suffer the same problems as 89 and 93 octane...in that they sit in the tanks longer, and can go bad just sitting in those tanks at the gas station. So IMO, run the up to 10% lower octane, UNLESS the equipment specifies a higher octane. Only ones I can think of are some higher performance ATV's, motorcycles, and some cars. Ethanol in itself has not caused any problems in my business-it's the fuel mix itself going bad....the Ethanol in itself cannot be blamed, although people can and certainly DO blame it entirely. I don't care what X magazine or internet article says about Ethanol being "bad" for small engines....it simply is not the entire blame, it's the changes in overall fuel quality that are to blame. This based on doing thousands of fuel system repairs every year, not over analyzing anything-just customer feedback and personal experience.

Also on the Ethanol stuff, most governing bodies require fuel to be labeled "up to 10% ethanol" if the Ethanol content is 7% minimum. But what if it's only 5%? Can it be labeled and sold as "non ethanol"? If so, and gas stations are charging up to $.50 more per gal for non ethanol, then who's getting the shaft? I have test strips at work specifically for testing but the company doesn't pay for them and in most cases I don't even use them except for that one customer that doesn't listen (and it happens). Even then it's got to be fresh fuel that you're testing as the evaporation effect can change things.

2 weeks. Just remember the 2 week rule and you'll be fine. If the fuel is going to sit for more than 2 weeks, remove it from the equipment and dump it into something that'll use it up, and you won't have a problem. Is it a pain in the back side? Yup. But it's a lot less of a pain than, in this case, having no backup generator when you need it.
 

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+1 on the Seafoam. Add it every time you put gas in your generator. These Honda portable generators have very tiny, intricate carburetors. They don't like fuel left in them, if they aren't running. Very important to drain the bowl after you're done running it, if it will be more than a few days until you run it again. The Seafoam keeps anything from building up inside the carb.

Follow these two procedures, you won't have any fuel related issues.

I also recommend you do NOT use higher octane fuel. Octane is a measurement of resistance to burn. These generators are designed to run on 87 octane. They do not generate enough heat or compression to utilize higher octane fuel, and will actually run less efficiently. Octane has nothing to do with the quality of the fuel.

I have two EU2000's, one is a companion, so I can run them parallel for 30A & 4K watts if needed. They are awesome generators, but you have to be diligent with the fuel & maintenance.
 

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And on the pull and sit theory...these generators have fuel pumps. You have to manually pull rope to pump the fuel. No gravity at all. A primer bulb would allow gas to be pulled through these pumps and fill the carbs.

There is a guy who builds a starter kit for these, but man o man is it expensive. I would rather buy a couple 3000i's with start built in.
 

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I'll join in on the octane thing: you are throwing your money away using premium! This is a pet peeve of mine....I always use "regular" in my various vehicles, which all run great with zero issues, just like you having good luck while burning premium. The difference is, about 50 cents or more per gallon, for the exact same performance! ESPECIALLY if you are at a higher altitude, a lot of motors that may require high octane at sea level, don't when at higher elevations.

The one thing I do use in my small engines that may sit a while between use, is E-0 fuel. A few stations sell it here, not many, and here's the punch line, it's usually only available "clear", in a premium grade! So I grudgingly pay the extra dollars but I feel like I am throwing the (few admittingly) dollars away. FWIW, I also use regular in my Rotax powered airplane on a regular basis, as long as I remain above 3,000 (I live at 5400') I can safely do so. Many if not most other Rotax pilots I know burn premium, regardless of their field elevation, they are wasting their money. I just reached and surpassed the 2,000 hour time TBO for my engine, with zero issues, which I'm sure I could have done burning premium as well, the difference is $4000.00 remains in my pocket. 4 GPHx2000hrs=8000 gallons, saving .50 (at least) a gallon= $4,000.00
 

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Interesting comments on what I thought was an innocuous subject, lol. The mechanic, that told me about the high octane use, happened about 35 years ago. Could that have been because ethanol blend was fairly new and they were working the bugs out? Over the past 30+ years has the blend been refined and the equipment built for the ethanol gas? Always willing to learn.