Help with quick connect fitting size for Kubota BT 600 Backhoe

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The quick coupler from Summit arrived yesterday. The part number etched is:

Summit B14F-04N 2324

Happily, I report...it fits! You know for sure that I'm going to write this number down for future reference. :) Then again, I won't need anything for a while since I'm not a winter farmer!

TG
 
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The quick coupler from Summit arrived yesterday. The part number etched is:

Summit B14F-04N 2324

Happily, I report...it fits! You know for sure that I'm going to write this number down for future reference. :) Then again, I won't need anything for a while since I'm not a winter farmer!

TG
That is the same coupler also listed as "1/4" ISO 7241B coupler with NPT threads" That is the industry standard designation and there is nothing Kubota specific about it. Write that ISO description down with or without the Summit and Kubota part numbers. Any hydraulic supply will know exactly what it means.

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That is the same coupler also listed as "1/4" ISO 7241B coupler with NPT threads" That is the industry standard designation and there is nothing Kubota specific about it. Write that ISO description down with or without the Summit and Kubota part numbers. Any hydraulic supply will know exactly what it means.

Dan
Yes, TOH, I will record this number, too. When I remove the first-purchased coupler that doesn't fit, I'll check that number. It's awfully hard to see and these are not young eyes. :)

For some reason, these couplers/fittings don't make a lot of sense to me. Most of the time, with some mulling, I can begin to understand how things work. But...these seem to be a different animal. For example, I measured the face of the male fitting to see what coupler would fit and compared that with the chart to identify the correct coupler. That face was 1/2" so why would it take a 1/4" coupler? In another way, does it make any difference that I understand when I have the correct number for future needs for these couplers? It's much easier to fix things when understanding is present.

OTOH, maybe my expectations for myself are too high! It's a miracle that anything around here can be fixed! I attribute any success to my dear Father who was a DIY'er from the start. He was willing and patient to teach me. His best advice: remember the sequence of parts when you disassemble something! Sadly, there were times I was not attentive when taking something apart.

Anyway, thanks for all the help with this fitting. I'm hoping this solves the leaking problem; otherwise, it has been all for naught.

TG
 

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Yes, TOH, I will record this number, too. When I remove the first-purchased coupler that doesn't fit, I'll check that number. It's awfully hard to see and these are not young eyes. :)

For some reason, these couplers/fittings don't make a lot of sense to me. Most of the time, with some mulling, I can begin to understand how things work. But...these seem to be a different animal. For example, I measured the face of the male fitting to see what coupler would fit and compared that with the chart to identify the correct coupler. That face was 1/2" so why would it take a 1/4" coupler? In another way, does it make any difference that I understand when I have the correct number for future needs for these couplers? It's much easier to fix things when understanding is present.

OTOH, maybe my expectations for myself are too high! It's a miracle that anything around here can be fixed! I attribute any success to my dear Father who was a DIY'er from the start. He was willing and patient to teach me. His best advice: remember the sequence of parts when you disassemble something! Sadly, there were times I was not attentive when taking something apart.

Anyway, thanks for all the help with this fitting. I'm hoping this solves the leaking problem; otherwise, it has been all for naught.

TG
I applaud and encourage your pursuit of understanding.

Here is a fundamental concept that may help you in that pursuit. Pipes hoses, tubes, and fittings are identified by their "nominal size". For pipe and hose thats the internal diameter and for tube its the external diameter. That in and of itself can be very confusung.

Quick couplers are identified by their "body size" which reflects the internal diameter of the hose or tube its designed to match. So a 1/4" quick coupler is matched to 1/4" pipe or hose that has an internal dismmeter of 1/4"
Since tube is sized by OD not ID its sized to match 5/16" tube. To match flows the OD of the male nipple has to be roughly the same suze as the ID of the corresponding 1/4" hose or tube.

That gets further complicated by the size of the thread. A 1/4" body size coupler could have any number of different thread types and sizes which are not part of the ISO standard.

So less break down Summits B14F-14N part number for your coupler:

B - shorthand for the ISO 7241B dimensional standard
14 - shorthand for 1/4" body size
F - shorthand for female body half
14 - short hand for 1/4" thread
N - shorthand for NPTF thread type

Obvioisly there are many permutations possible in this system.

Clear as mud?

Dan
 
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I applaud and encourage your pursuit of understanding.

Here is a fundamental concept that may help you in that pursuit. Pipes hoses, tubes, and fittings are identified by their "nominal size". For pipe and hose thats the internal diameter and for tube its the external diameter. That in and of itself can be very confusung.

Quick couplers are identified by their "body size" which reflects the internal diameter of the hose or tube its designed to match. So a 1/4" quick coupler is matched to 1/4" pipe or hose that has an internal dismmeter of 1/4"
Since tube is sized by OD not ID its sized to match 5/16" tube. To match flows the OD of the male nipple has to be roughly the same suze as the ID of the corresponding 1/4" hose or tube.

That gets further complicated by the size of the thread. A 1/4" body size coupler could have any number of different thread types and sizes which are not part of the ISO standard.

So less break down Summits B14F-14N part number for your coupler:

B - shorthand for the ISO 7241B dimensional standard
14 - shorthand for 1/4" body size
F - shorthand for female body half
14 - short hand for 1/4" thread
N - shorthand for NPTF thread type

Obvioisly there are many permutations possible in this system.

Clear as mud?

Dan
The mud is getting thinner! :) I will ponder much of the info. But, the breakdown of the part number makes perfect sense!

Thanks for taking time, Dan. As the saying goes, "Dan, you're the man."

TG
 
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This is what @TheOldHokie posted in post #19 —> B14F-14N

This is what @Tractor Gal posted in post #21 —> Summit B14F-04N 2324

I assume @Tractor Gal mistyped the number but noticed the difference between the two numbers. I doubt there is actually a 04N designation (according to the logic of NPT size designation and just wanted to point out that there is a discrepancy between the numbers so future readers will see it and hopefully not get confused.
 

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This is what @TheOldHokie posted in post #19 —> B14F-14N

This is what @Tractor Gal posted in post #21 —> Summit B14F-04N 2324

I assume @Tractor Gal mistyped the number but noticed the difference between the two numbers. I doubt there is actually a 04N designation (according to the logic of NPT size designation and just wanted to point out that there is a discrepancy between the numbers so future readers will see it and hopefully not get confused.
Actually I am the one with the mistake.

04 = fitting dash size (1/4")
N = fitting type NPT

FULL DISCLOSURE: I am not privy to the details of Summits part numbering system. My breakdown is deduced from their item description and my experience with other vendors numbering schemes. So take what I said with a VERY LARGE grain of salt.

Dan
 

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This is what @TheOldHokie posted in post #19 —> B14F-14N

This is what @Tractor Gal posted in post #21 —> Summit B14F-04N 2324

I assume @Tractor Gal mistyped the number but noticed the difference between the two numbers. I doubt there is actually a 04N designation (according to the logic of NPT size designation and just wanted to point out that there is a discrepancy between the numbers so future readers will see it and hopefully not get confused.
Sorry, Russell. I did not make an error. I'm not adverse to making errors but not this time. The etching is clearly B14F-04N 2324.

TG
 

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Sorry, Russell. I did not make an error. I'm not adverse to making errors but not this time. The etching is clearly B14F-04N 2324.

TG
I apologize for impugning your veracity in transcribing the number!
 

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Too many big words... I'm out. 🤯
 
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