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Oh I see, white privilege. So I need to look at the news. Let's look at recent headlines, black man attacks New York Subway.Re: White Privilege: "As far as you being targeted, maybe you need to consider your life choices if you feel that people are out targeting you. Most likely, you aren't on anybody's radar."
You don't know how anyone is targeted, although it's all around you in the news, in neighborhoods, in racial and ethnic bias around friends and family. My response was in response to your life choices statement and your clear lack of understanding for minority oppression and targeting by the aforementioned groups. Prime example would be the recent terrorist attack of a white nationalist targeting only African Americans in a predominantly African American neighborhood and apologizing to the Caucasian cashier for pointing a gun at him. I don't think any consideration of personal choices would impact a domestic terror group's intent to target minorities. The only consideration and personal choice I've made, as a civilian who is of sane mind and unaffiliated with any group, is to protect myself and my family by having the means to do so. Again, a priveledge.
Regarding your healthcare statement, please show the facts. I specifically found the reporting requirements for qualified professionals on the ILDHS website and not by chatting with 4 people in the field.
Re: Churches - another example of having the blinders on. What about mosques or other sites of worship? In America, while churches may be safe, mosques are targeted. One religious group's safety and a few school incidents in other countries are not an indicator that our country (one who is viewed as being more "humanitarian" than others) has a problem with mass killings using firearms.
I also don't support groups looting, burning buildings, and breaking the law. There is a fine line between peaceful protest and terrorism. Your comment indicates a similar understanding.
I have done my research:
The NRA Supported Gun Control When the Black Panthers Had the Weapons | HISTORY
Back in the 1960s, even the NRA supported gun control to disarm the group.www.history.com
The NRA as well as pro 2A Americans didn't propose gun control until it was for a targeted demographic. My argument is, and while you say you don't have a problem with it, others will as history has shown. My opinion is that all groups that have the potential for committing violent acts and are being watched by law enforcement should not be able to purchase firearms.
This is where our opinions are totally different. While I am not opposed to the right to bear arms, I am opposed to unstable individuals having easy access to firearms. I, personally, cannot infringe upon your rights and my proposal shouldn't either since you aren't a part of an FBI watchlist organization or mentally unstable...right? So not sure of the point you're trying to make.
As far as adding more police to schools, another point. When does this end? Do you want police literally everywhere you go? Do we want a country comprised of police anywhere and everywhere watching our every move? There are good police officers and there are bad ones - I have had experiences with both, but I will say, you will never forget your experiences with a bad cop. Will they help? Maybe? Is there corruption in existing police forces? Yes. Should you be comfortable with such a huge police presence without any reform of the existing police construct? That's up to you, but I wouldn't. That's a slippery slope.
How about the hate crimes committed to Asian Americans:
In New York City, where anti-Asian hate crime soared nearly nine-fold in 2020 over the year before, only two of the 20 people arrested last year in connection with these attacks were white, according to New York Police Department data analyzed by the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism. Eleven were African Americans, six were white Hispanics and one was a Black Hispanic.
Maybe the hate crime committed on a handicapped boy in Chicago https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/us/chicago-facebook-live-beating/index.html
When you start looking at the data, yes, whites do commit hate crimes, but other groups commit hate crimes. Sadly, as I have stated we are dealing with a MORAL issue and does not have to do with RACE, but with the condition of your heart (morals).
You look up one website and you now know how the mental health system works in Illinois, yet you stopped at one spot and don't go through all the research. There is the FOID Act definition and then how the courts have defined it. The clinicians are given leeway when dealing with suicidal person. For example, a man loses his wife in a car wreck and he is talking to clinician and says I don't think I can live any longer with her being gone. The clinician has the ability to determine if the man is truly contemplating suicide and needs to be reported or if the man is just going through the grieving process.
"CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER" MEANS A PERSON WHO:
(1) communicates a serious threat of physical violence against a reasonably identifiable victim or poses a clear and imminent risk of serious physical injury to himself, herself, or another person as determined by a physician, clinical psychologist, or qualified examiner; or
(2) demonstrates threatening physical or verbal behavior, such as violent, suicidal, or assaultive threats, actions, or other behavior, as determined by a physician, clinical psychologist, qualified examiner, school administrator, or law enforcement official. (FOID Act, Sec. 1.1)
I stated churches because you stated churches. Regardless of the religious affiliations, religious establishments OUTSIDE of the US have had more attacks than those inside of the US. Did I list every attack that occurred outside of the US, no and nor will I.
You make that statement that I'm okay with "unstable' people having firearms, which is a false statement. Yet, you simple solution that it is mental illness that is causing the problem is wrong.
There are mentally ill people that will NEVER hurt anyone. Mental illness is a disease, just like diabetes, high blood pressure, etc. and needs to be treated. Not made into a stigma to discourage those that need help from getting help. My grandmother was a retired nurse from the mental hospital who helped me understand that there is a whole lot more to mental illness than just 'being crazy' or in your words "unstable".
Moral illness or the lack of morals is social issue. You do not want to address that issue. You want the easy button, blame it on mental illness. There are lots of examples of perfectly mentally stable people doing morally wrong things, including killing. Blaming moral failures on mental illness is trying to take the easy route and not take the responsibility of the moral failures.
Well since you keep trying to imply things by misreading my statements, let me do you the same.
Why are you so afraid having police everywhere or you going around committing criminal acts everywhere? If you are not a criminal you shouldn't have an issue with police everywhere.
(See two can play at that game.)
Yet, once again you failed and missed the point. We need to protect our children. Your proposals do NOTHING to keep them safe. My proposals WILL make a difference. Again, look around you and see what we do to protect assets. We can put armed guards in schools, it has been done in the US and in other countries and is effective. We can fund schools to install bullet resistant doors and locks to prevent killers from gaining access into the classrooms. We can change the laws to allow teachers that want to be trained and to carry a firearm to do just that.
Your proposal of it is a mental illness issue does NOTHING to prevent morally corrupt person from obtaining a weapon (which guess what most of gang members don't get their weapons legally) and carrying out this horrible act.
My proposals do.
One final note about the NRA. You bring up an article from 60 years ago and you hold the organization accountable and say they are bad. I'm okay with that if you will do the same for the other organizations such as the Democratic party and them voting against outlawing slavery
In 1864, an amendment abolishing slavery passed the U.S. Senate but died in the House as Democrats rallied in the name of states’ rights. The election of 1864 brought Lincoln back to the White House along with significant Republican majorities in both houses, so it appeared the amendment was headed for passage when the new Congress convened in early 1865. Lincoln preferred that the amendment receive bipartisan support—some Democrats indicated support for the measure, but many still resisted. The amendment passed 119 to 56, just barely above the necessary two-thirds majority. Several Democrats abstained, but the 13th Amendment was sent to the states for ratification, which came in December 1865. With the passage of the amendment, the institution that had indelibly shaped American history was eradicated.
I would expect you do not vote Democrat and support any Democrat politician because of what they did in history? Or do I need to go on and list other groups that have made wrong choices over the years and we can debate if they should be supported or not.
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