Dan_R_42 and m32825 It sure is handy having a brother like mine, both my brothers are pretty mechanically inclined, but only one can weld and fabricate. Both my sons are good welders, but when I suggested they do the M8540 the way the 5740 is set up, they just laughed. They are going to do the grill guard, but the rest of the guards are beyond their skill level.