Generators

Mike_B

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B2320 w/MMM & FEL, & a bunch of Stihl power equipment. Lincoln SA250 for repairs
Oct 27, 2012
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I'm wondering about generators! Who has what HP/kw & brand of motor and/or generator? Also are you running a portable or a back up that's hard wired into your home? This recent storm has had me thinking of a conversation & a friend & I have had many times.


PS: he has a Kubota tractor too

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mendonsy

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B7500HST/LA302
May 28, 2012
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I have an old 6kw unit (20 amps at 240 volts) mounted on a 6 wheel ATV with a 21 hp Kohler engine. It will run my whole house if necessary but I have to be a bit careful not to start high draw loads like the furnace and well pump at the same time.
I have been thinking about getting one of these to hook up to my B7500HST.
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_36914_36914
 

Eric McCarthy

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Generators has been a much debated topic here on OTT. Weather to go with a protable or PTO powered. So far those members who talked about geting a pto driven generator quickly understood when some of us mentioned as a few key points about pto driven. For instance the tractor to power it is never usualy close to the house or its out in the barn which has no power either. Racking up the extra hours on the tractor is not worth it to some. Do a search on the topic of generators and see whats been discussed in the past.
 

Mike_B

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B2320 w/MMM & FEL, & a bunch of Stihl power equipment. Lincoln SA250 for repairs
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Interesting, I'm new with tractors & haven't really considered a pto mount gen set. Plus I'm doing for 2 separate homes. Maybe a pto mount for me & portable for my mom. Is or would this be undue stress/time on a tractor engine? It seems like it would cost more in the long run using the tractor.
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Profnohair

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L1500, 42" bh, box blade, G6200HST, Mahindra 450 with BH, FEL, etc.
Being in a hurricane prone area, I use a portable 5500 watt generator that is connected to the breaker panel via a transfer switch. The generator goes outside the closed garage door and connects via a 20 foot long cable supplied with the transfer switch purchase. My panel happens to be inside my garage so hook up was easier and less expensive than for an outdoor panel.

The transfer switch is a Reliant Controls brand http://www.generatorfactoryoutlet.c...f78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/5/1/51406c.jpg. It was purchased from HD or Lowe's, I forget which one, and runs about $275 if I remember correctly.

You pick six 115 circuits or four 115 and one 240 that you want to run with the generator. I run all ceiling fans and lights, most kitchen outlets and some scattered outlets.

Hookup (installation) is simple. Turn off the main power breaker. Remove the black wire from the selected breaker. Hook it to black wire #1 on the transfer switch. Hook Red wire #1 to the circuit breaker that the previous wire was removed from. Repeat for the rest of the circuits. There may be a neutral that has to be connected to the buss bar also. It has been five years since I have hooked it up so I may be forgetting something here or there. But I think there is a video on Reliants site to show easy how it is done.

After initial installation, to operate, start generator, flip switches one by one allowing time for the load to equalize between each switch. You do not turn off the breakers in your panel for the house.

For Hurricanes Gustave and Isaac, the power was back on for an hour or so before we realized that the air conditioner was running while the generator was going. Because the air conditioner is not a circuit that I selected the generator has no effect on it working or not.

best thing I ever spent money on.

Hope this helps.
 
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mendonsy

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B7500HST/LA302
May 28, 2012
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I think it's important to figure out what you are trying to accomplish before you jump into buying something. Here's some things that I considered with my current setup:

1) The last time that our power was off for more than 6 hours was in 1991 so one of the automatic systems sitting around doesn't make sense for me.
2) I don't have electric heat so I can run everything that I need for the house with a fairly small generator. The 6kw is about the minimum.
3) I don't need the generator to run 24/7. I just needs to run long enough to power up my well pump, gas furnace, and freezers for a few hours at a time.
4) I like having the really portable power that my current 6 wheeler setup allows. I can tow my welder out to a problem and fix it right there or generate enough power to run electric tools where there is no power.

I have looked at the PTO unit to accomplish basically the same things with a bit more power output and give me two options for power without spending a fortune or having another engine to maintain.
 

Eric McCarthy

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Your best bet is have an electrician come in and wire the house and breaker for a generator. I know our system here we run an extension cord to a plug under the house and turn the main breaker off and flip on the 4 breakers from the generator to power the house. I'm not familiar with Profnohair's set up but unhooking and hooking wires sounds complicated.
 

Profnohair

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L1500, 42" bh, box blade, G6200HST, Mahindra 450 with BH, FEL, etc.
Your best bet is have an electrician come in and wire the house and breaker for a generator. I know our system here we run an extension cord to a plug under the house and turn the main breaker off and flip on the 4 breakers from the generator to power the house. I'm not familiar with Profnohair's set up but unhooking and hooking wires sounds complicated.
Not complicated at all, that is a one time hookup to the panel. After that all you do is plug in the supplied extension cord. Takes 10 minutes tops to have power restored.
 

Kytim

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B6000DT, B7100DT,Snowplow, RM360, Scoop, Cultivator, Carryall,Disk, plow
Aug 14, 2009
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Well generators do "generate" alot of discussion here. (thank you, thank you, i'll be here all night. Lol)

I have 2 gensets. 1 is a batt start 9.5kw with a 13hp B&S engine. Great machine. #2 is a GPP brand 7.5kw powered by a honda 11hp clone engine. equally useful, just manual start.

Best advise on portable, use a fuel stabilizer in tank and can. Then, exercise them monthly.

A transfer switch should be used if going to utilize the current home wiring. Its all about safety, the home owners and the lineman's. A backfed panel is putting a live line in the hands of an unknowing serviceman that potentially could cost their life.
A correctly installed transfer switch only requires a flip of a single breaker/switch to be ready to start using the genset. They are simple to install but, your lo-cal may require a inspection after any elect wiring work. Best to check first! Remember safety!
 

MagKarl

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L245DT
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I wired my house with a generator interlock panel cover. I have a 30A 240V backfeed breaker that comes in from an outdoor generator plug. That was much less expensive than a transfer switch and gives you the option of running any of the circuits in the panel instead of just a few.

I have a 5550W B&S 10HP generator. It has performed flawlessly, starts 1 pull. I probably have 350 hours or so on it. I bought it during an outage where miraculously Home Depot had power and the rest of town was out. Normally I'd like to do my homework first, but in this case I took it quickly.

I wouldn't want a PTO generator, chances are if I need the generator, I'll also want or need my tractor for storm cleanup and/or snow plowing.
 

Kytim

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B6000DT, B7100DT,Snowplow, RM360, Scoop, Cultivator, Carryall,Disk, plow
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Interlok panels are good as well but the user just has to be more diligent in turning off unnecessary electrical load as very few portable generator are capable of running a whole house. A transfer switch does this without having to think about this as it was decided when installed. Also, a generator running at or near peak output will operate hotter and consume more fuel in the process. I believe personally this results in a lower/shorter overall useful life before overhaul/rebuild as well. Some manufacturers of electrical panels, square D being one, make the interlok tabs to be installed on new or previously installed equipment to lockout the mains. These are difficult to find as most distributors would rather sell the more costly and profitable trans switches.
 

Eric McCarthy

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I wouldn't want a PTO generator, chances are if I need the generator, I'll also want or need my tractor for storm cleanup and/or snow plowing.
Yeah that was the general consensus from other members as well. I'd rather maintain a cheap gasoline lawnmower motor then an expensive diesel motor and rack up more hours then needed.
 

dieseldude

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we have 2 gens here. A homemade diesel 3 kw to run sump pump, fridge and a few small lights. the second is a powermate 5KW from home depot. The powermate uses a 13 hp subaru clone (made by RATO) so far it performs well. Everything is cord and plug connected so there are no chances of backfeed issues. The next step here is have a transfer switch installed and shut off un- necessary circuits.
 

bosshogg

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2004 L3400F w/ FEL
Aug 16, 2012
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Fired up my Rural King 15kw generator today for the first time. I am installing a 50A entrance box and wiring into the main panel with an interlock installed. The 50A will provide 12,000 watts which will barely run my heat pump and a few other circuits. It will however allow me to heat the home and run other appliances by turning on and off the circuits. I would guess a good standby generator for a small home should be at least 20kw to opperate most things at once.
 

Toyboy

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BX2230D - RCK60-22BX - BX5450
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I bit the bullet last fall and had a 20kw Generac automatic whole house installed. It runs on NG so no issue with fuel. The thing I liked is that whether we're home or on vacation, it's always ready to go.
 

fast*st

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M7040, L2900, F550 ford, Yanmar vio70 excavator, Case 580, JD 350 dozer, JD 644E
Jun 26, 2012
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All depends on your budget, I've got a little 1.5/2kw one from tractor supply, weighs 30 pounds, 3hp engine ($120 on sale) . 5.5/6.5kw husky, 80-100 pounds from someone who 'broke' it just needed the right oil and gas ($80) 6kw winpower 'fire service' 220 pounds, and a 16/22kw genrac that lives in its corner of a shed next to its 'transfer' plug at my folks place ($850 used). Realistically, if your house uses gas for heating air,water and food, and you have city water or a shallow well pump, 5kw will run your whole house happily with a touch of common sense applied.

While doing an all day generator run at my folks with the big generac, took half a minute to realize why my air compressor sounded funny, its a 100 amp startup load and 22 amp 240 run. Luckily shut it off within about 5-10 seconds. The main reason for the big generac is that it has a 15 gallon fuel tank and at normal loads, it'll run about 24 hours.

for portable power, either the 2kw TS one or the 1kw truck inverter is da bomb. One quick note on the small 'import' generators, it seems they don't get cleaned during engine assembly, I'd suggest a 1/2 hour no load run, then change the oil, if it looks a little silvery or in my case like anti-sieze grease with grit, repeat with a 1 hour 1/2 load run, change, 2-3 hour half load run, change, then 4-5 hours at near full load, make sure its got great air circulation as the alternator will be cranking out a ton of heat. Do this until when you drain the oil, you don't see anything but oil. After that it was put in service and used for a full week and the oil was still clear. There was a lot of reports on this model of early engine failure, I can see why with all that junk inside it, and it only holds 1/2 quart of oil, but expending a gallon or two of good truck oil on breaking an engine in seems like a good investment.
 

Kytim

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B6000DT, B7100DT,Snowplow, RM360, Scoop, Cultivator, Carryall,Disk, plow
Aug 14, 2009
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All depends on your budget, I've got a little 1.5/2kw one from tractor supply, weighs 30 pounds, 3hp engine
I've wondered about those little things, 2 stroke or 4 stroke? I'm pretty sure it was a 2 stroke but, what is the fuel mix ratio for the most part? was just wondering if it was something odd or something that would kinda match other lawn tools. It would kinda be another one of those many things that stood in your way when you needed it the most. I've wanted one of them 'cus they're light weight and so portable. same idea behind those little honda gens