Free viewing of clinton cash movie
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Crooks,Cheats,Liars and bad for this country!!! I hope everyone is registered and ready to remove this disease from OUR Gov't this November.
Just finished watching this...sad that so few people will see and/or hear about the facts presented in the movie and the depth of the corruption.
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I always knew the clinton's were corrupt, but after watching the preview last night it is mind blowing how much they really are.
The problem that I see with this, or two really, is that this slick production isn't or hasn't been fact checked, so if you already hate Hilary Clinton you are likely to believe it. The second is, if true, it puts her on a par with Donald Trump who has a long history of cheating people with his business practices, and lying in public frequently.
So the choice seems to be between two people with questionable ethical histories. Pretty doggone sad.
Given that, the next question, is (and this is rhetorical, I don't want to be flamed) is which candidate has the greatest chance of
1. Getting productive legislation through the Congress
2. Having productive conversations with allies on world affairs
3. Being a good commander in chief
On this reasonable minds can differ, no one has a crystal ball, and over the years I have been pleasantly surprised when someone does a better than predicted job.
I think on the forum that it is not helpful to use exaggeratedly nasty descriptions for the different candidates and administrations since there are a variety of OTT readers that are effectively silenced by that tack. This is not the Republican National tractor forum. About 50% of the US population thinks one way and 50% the other. We can have useful discussions without that kind of stuff.
The way forward that I see is for grass roots folks like us to find innovative solutions and compromises that will work. Take Trump's wall...the ranchers along the border are saying it won't work. So what will keep our borders secure?
This group is pretty good at problem solving
So the choice seems to be between two people with questionable ethical histories. Pretty doggone sad.
Given that, the next question, is (and this is rhetorical, I don't want to be flamed) is which candidate has the greatest chance of
1. Getting productive legislation through the Congress
2. Having productive conversations with allies on world affairs
3. Being a good commander in chief
On this reasonable minds can differ, no one has a crystal ball, and over the years I have been pleasantly surprised when someone does a better than predicted job.
I think on the forum that it is not helpful to use exaggeratedly nasty descriptions for the different candidates and administrations since there are a variety of OTT readers that are effectively silenced by that tack. This is not the Republican National tractor forum. About 50% of the US population thinks one way and 50% the other. We can have useful discussions without that kind of stuff.
The way forward that I see is for grass roots folks like us to find innovative solutions and compromises that will work. Take Trump's wall...the ranchers along the border are saying it won't work. So what will keep our borders secure?
This group is pretty good at problem solving
Sheepfarmer,
Well said and may I add:
Police are not the problem
Black folks are not the problem
Muslims are not the problem
Christians are not the problem
Hate is the problem
Well said and may I add:
Police are not the problem
Black folks are not the problem
Muslims are not the problem
Christians are not the problem
Hate is the problem
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See my post on the Hillary thread... Grab a soda or a glass of tea... its lengthy!
And for the record, I am a registered Independent.
http://www.orangetractortalks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25762&page=5
And for the record, I am a registered Independent.
http://www.orangetractortalks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25762&page=5
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One thing that I've noticed with big charity's. The majority of the money brought in doesn't get spent on helping someone. If anyone has an elderly relative, most have come across all these different scams and "charitable causes" that they need the person to invest in
My grandfather for example used to contribute to the salvation army, a political party, and a couple other charity's. The issue was, that once he donated to one cause, all of a sudden 30 more causes would show up in the mail. To the point where there was a 50 gallon trash bag full of discarded mail every week seeking donations
So we got really good at researching these so called charity's. Here is what we found out.
If they are multinational, or famous ones that advertise on TV. Then only a small portion actually makes it to the people in need. The highest percentage was only 20 percent of it's income that we found. Most are only around 10 percent like the charity in this topic. The rest of the money goes into people's pockets, mailers, advertising, ect...... Now I'm not gonna name the charity's, but two off the top of my head that everybody knows about operate this way.
So after the research, we talked gramps into donating locally. He still makes his political party donation, but for charity's the money goes to help people locally. My wife and I do the same thing thing.
Now as far political candidates, I don't like either one of them. And wish we had a really good independent candidate in the running that would go in and "Clean House".
My grandfather for example used to contribute to the salvation army, a political party, and a couple other charity's. The issue was, that once he donated to one cause, all of a sudden 30 more causes would show up in the mail. To the point where there was a 50 gallon trash bag full of discarded mail every week seeking donations
So we got really good at researching these so called charity's. Here is what we found out.
If they are multinational, or famous ones that advertise on TV. Then only a small portion actually makes it to the people in need. The highest percentage was only 20 percent of it's income that we found. Most are only around 10 percent like the charity in this topic. The rest of the money goes into people's pockets, mailers, advertising, ect...... Now I'm not gonna name the charity's, but two off the top of my head that everybody knows about operate this way.
So after the research, we talked gramps into donating locally. He still makes his political party donation, but for charity's the money goes to help people locally. My wife and I do the same thing thing.
Now as far political candidates, I don't like either one of them. And wish we had a really good independent candidate in the running that would go in and "Clean House".
Kids,,,, the way I see it,,,, no matter who get in as POTUS,... us, we the middle working class is screwed big time!!!
One is no better than the other, and both have bodies buried some place, some more than others,,,,, but I digress ,,,
One is a bussiness person and you know up front he doesnt have your best interest at heart only his wallet and power,,
The other is a lawyer, that doesnt have your best interest at heart only money and power. Ever notice how those 2 things go together power ,,money,,, money power funny huh.. And you all know its not about us, its about power!!!
So who is dirty and who is as pure as the driven snow,,, you pick
All I know is I will vote my heart, and each in here will do the same, and may God have mercy on us who ever wins..
yeah I'm doing this ona 12 year old Dell XP with no speel chuk, and it pretty much types what it wants
One is no better than the other, and both have bodies buried some place, some more than others,,,,, but I digress ,,,
One is a bussiness person and you know up front he doesnt have your best interest at heart only his wallet and power,,
The other is a lawyer, that doesnt have your best interest at heart only money and power. Ever notice how those 2 things go together power ,,money,,, money power funny huh.. And you all know its not about us, its about power!!!
So who is dirty and who is as pure as the driven snow,,, you pick
All I know is I will vote my heart, and each in here will do the same, and may God have mercy on us who ever wins..
yeah I'm doing this ona 12 year old Dell XP with no speel chuk, and it pretty much types what it wants
What this election has pointed out clearly is folks are tired of the status quo.
If someone financed every tractor I bought to fix up and sell, I think I would be obligated to give that person first refusal and maybe adjust the price down because of their backing. My inability to finance on my own would weaken my decision making.
We have a similar problem in government. Folks are there too long, with too much owed to others for them being there, and this limits their decision making ability.
It is amazing there were 16 folks running with a lot of experience in government games, and the one with the least experience, and often times saying things that were brash, and considered un-presidential by all the talking heads of the news force becomes the candidate. It even seems the more off the wall the comments were, the more support he gets. Indicating, once again, as things are is repulsive.
If an attorney and a business man are both focused on money and power, I'd go with the business man. Why, the attorney will find or create a law to legally get what he wants. And what he wants has to come from someone else (The working man). The working man pays the fee to eliminate further "headaches" from the attorney!
If a business man wants power and money, he only gets it by helping others.
Oh, I can hear folks saying, "Ya, he filed for bankruptcy umpteen times." Interestingly enough, those bankruptcy laws were made by the attorneys who ended up in the Senate. It was his companies that filed. I think bankruptcy is thievery, but not so by our laws.
A business man can make a lot of mistakes, and his goal is to have a profit at the end of the month, but if he wants to keep going he has to manage within the law, and treat people with the respect, or he loses his power and money.
If someone financed every tractor I bought to fix up and sell, I think I would be obligated to give that person first refusal and maybe adjust the price down because of their backing. My inability to finance on my own would weaken my decision making.
We have a similar problem in government. Folks are there too long, with too much owed to others for them being there, and this limits their decision making ability.
It is amazing there were 16 folks running with a lot of experience in government games, and the one with the least experience, and often times saying things that were brash, and considered un-presidential by all the talking heads of the news force becomes the candidate. It even seems the more off the wall the comments were, the more support he gets. Indicating, once again, as things are is repulsive.
If an attorney and a business man are both focused on money and power, I'd go with the business man. Why, the attorney will find or create a law to legally get what he wants. And what he wants has to come from someone else (The working man). The working man pays the fee to eliminate further "headaches" from the attorney!
If a business man wants power and money, he only gets it by helping others.
Oh, I can hear folks saying, "Ya, he filed for bankruptcy umpteen times." Interestingly enough, those bankruptcy laws were made by the attorneys who ended up in the Senate. It was his companies that filed. I think bankruptcy is thievery, but not so by our laws.
A business man can make a lot of mistakes, and his goal is to have a profit at the end of the month, but if he wants to keep going he has to manage within the law, and treat people with the respect, or he loses his power and money.
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D2,
You raise a great point. Something like 16% of the Obama administration have any business experience. That means 84% of those in this administration have never run a business, made a profit, or employed real people. Government has never created a job or made a profit. The government interference with business we have experienced over the past 8 years is why we are seeing the lowest employment numbers and slowest economy in decades.
During the Bush administration, the media constantly said the country was in a recession, despite the numbers indicating we weren't. For the past four years, job the media has gone out of the way to promote the health and vigor of the current economy, which is not an honest representation of what is really going on.
The media is not being honest...again.
Ray
You raise a great point. Something like 16% of the Obama administration have any business experience. That means 84% of those in this administration have never run a business, made a profit, or employed real people. Government has never created a job or made a profit. The government interference with business we have experienced over the past 8 years is why we are seeing the lowest employment numbers and slowest economy in decades.
During the Bush administration, the media constantly said the country was in a recession, despite the numbers indicating we weren't. For the past four years, job the media has gone out of the way to promote the health and vigor of the current economy, which is not an honest representation of what is really going on.
The media is not being honest...again.
Ray