Engine Dies when applying load

LightMinded

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Kubota B7800 with bucket, counterweight. Drove heavy (8 hours/day) in recent snow. Then engine died when applying forward or reverse on the rocker switch.

Engine would still start easily, idle without dying, and respond (increase RPMs) to the throttle in normal fashion. However, as soon as forward/reverse applied, engine died. All hydraulic powered implements worked normally when idling, such as bucket, counterweight (did not test the PTOs).

No warning lights illuminated on the instrument panel (such as oil pressure or other light).

Did the following:

  • Inspected fuel tank .... no obvious debris or water.
  • Added fresh fuel.
  • Replaced the paper filter on the 1st stage fuel filter and cleaned the bowl (but hardly any sediment and absolutely no water found).
  • Check engine oil...adequate
  • Check Air filter ... some light dust easily removed.
  • Opened the water drain M12 bolt on the underneath of carriage (as per instruction manual) ... but nothing came out (neither water or fuel).
  • Visually inspected the fuel lines (no leaks, breaks, kinks, or turned-off valves).

None of those steps fixed the problem.

Then discovered low transmission oil level. Added about a gallon of UDT oil before the dipstick came up to a mid-level reading (after running the engine). However, the engine still died when touching the rocker switch. But...

Let it sit overnight and now running fine. Moves forward and reverse in normal fashion.

My questions are

1) Is there a "kill switch" on the transmission hydraulics that would shut down the engine if the transmission oil level is low?

2) Any possibility that the symptoms are unrelated to the transmission fluid level?

Thanks for any advice.
 

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My questions are

1) Is there a "kill switch" on the transmission hydraulics that would shut down the engine if the transmission oil level is low?

2) Any possibility that the symptoms are unrelated to the transmission fluid level?

Thanks for any advice.

The low Hydraulic oil level is a 100% coincidence and had 0% to do with your issue.

You have a bad or maladjusted seat switch, or a bad or maladjusted HST pedal switch! ;)
 

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Wolfman: Thanks. As I suspected ... no correlation with transmission oil level.

FYI the seat switch has been disarmed for years.

The HST pedal switch is suspect. We have had trouble with this same tractor suddenly engine killed when put into forward/reverse, but in those prior instances, the engine would never start again. No response from turning the key at all. Acted like the unit was still in gear. Naturally, whenever we had a repair service pick it up, it always started right up and they found nothing wrong :rolleyes:

On this occassion, I assumed the cause was different b/c engine would always start up reliably, just die when pressing the HST pedal in either direction.

On one Internet video, I saw there is a plunger switch which is activated by the HST pedal. If this plunger switch is malfunctioning, this can cause the tractor fail to start. Maybe it can also cause it to die unexpectedly?

Where can I find the plunger switch and how would I test it?

Thanks again...
 

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^ that North Idaho guy is always spot-on....
 

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On this occassion, I assumed the cause was different b/c engine would always start up reliably, just die when pressing the HST pedal in either direction.

On one Internet video, I saw there is a plunger switch which is activated by the HST pedal. If this plunger switch is malfunctioning, this can cause the tractor fail to start. Maybe it can also cause it to die unexpectedly?

Where can I find the plunger switch and how would I test it?

Thanks again...
I would double check the wiring to the seat switches (yes there is 2), even if you jumped those.

I would then suggest you get the WSM as it has all the wiring switch location and troubleshooting info that you need.

You can get the WSM on Kubotabooks.com
 
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I would double check the wiring to the seat switches (yes there is 2), even if you jumped those.

I would then suggest you get the WSM as it has all the wiring switch location and troubleshooting info that you need.

I'll send you a PM to download it.
Thanks again. Will check the seat switch wiring after I get your info.

If not the seat wiring, then I will be interested to know if the problem could be either a malfunctioning HST pedal switch or the shut-off solenoid ... and how to go about troubleshooting these.

The tractor is running fine today, with no direct fix being done. The dreaded "intermittent failure" :mad:

I will be away from the tractor, so my next post will not be for a few weeks, but hope everyone will stay tuned. Very helpful thread.
 

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As for the seat switch, here is a photo of the wiring. I only see one switch...but will consult the WSM for official details:

Click the thumbnail to see the attached jpeg....
 

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It doesn't look like in the photo of the seat that the seat switches are bypassed?

Just wiring the switch down does not bypass a bad switch.

Take the wires off the switch and put a jumper between the 2 wires.
 

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I would double check the wiring to the seat switches (yes there is 2)
And the answer is......

SEAT SAFETY SWITCH !!

Yep, just as you suggested, the seat switch was the source of the problem. Obviously the switch was stuck in the open position (at least some of the time) causing the engine to kill when applying the pedal.

Here is what I did. I pulled the connectors off the seat switches, one at a time (there are 2 switches). I jumped the positive wire to the ground wire using a 15 A auto fuse (which just happened to fit nicely into the connector ends (see photo).

The problem went away when I jumped one of the switches , (but not the other). More importantly, when I removed the jumper from that switch, the problem returned. I could repeat this experiment back and forth several times with the same results, proving that the source of the problem was a malfunctioning seat safety switch.

Here is a movie of what I did.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0776eq02y1fwd7j/Kubota_Dies_3.mp4?dl=0

Attached is a photo of the jumpers in place...I secured them with electrical tape (for now). These automobile fuses just happened to fit perfectly into the connectors without needing to cut and re-wire anything.

Many thanks to everyone who answered this thread.

Huge bonus to get the tractor working without having it hauled into the repair shop (the hauling fee alone is $250).

Thanks to OTT
 

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