Does regen have to be terrible?

[Shadow_storm56]

Only been watching your thread, but I agree an HST may have been the better choice for a tractor.

A lot of folks are dedicated to a gear-driven drivetrain of some fashion and I understand that.

Sometimes the more modern options do work better.

What are the options for an M5 tractor? Good size machine. Doubt HST is an option?

It's a narrow series orchard tractor that's 100Hp so as far as I know they aren't made with the HST option.

It's a good machine I just hate having to let it sit and run to do a regen

 

[RCW]

It's a narrow series orchard tractor that's 100Hp so as far as I know they aren't made with the HST option.

It's a good machine I just hate having to let it sit and run to do a regen

Yes, saw it was an “N” tractor for narrow. When you said moving pallets of apples makes sense.

Don’t believe the narrow matters for transmission options of that horsepower range.

Any other model tractor you look at will have emissions systems requiring a minimum RPM.

If the drivetrain isn’t jerky at those RPM, the hydraulic operation of the loader still will be.

 

[SDT]

Only been watching your thread, but I agree an HST may have been the better choice for a tractor.

A lot of folks are dedicated to a gear-driven drivetrain of some fashion and I understand that.

Sometimes the more modern options do work better.

What are the options for an M5 tractor? Good size machine. Doubt HST is an option?

Gear type transmissions are more efficient, which is why HSTs are not used in high HP tractors.

Don't know where one can buy a 100 HP+ HST tractor these days.

 

[SDT]

Only been watching your thread, but I agree an HST may have been the better choice for a tractor.

A lot of folks are dedicated to a gear-driven drivetrain of some fashion and I understand that.

Sometimes the more modern options do work better.

What are the options for an M5 tractor? Good size machine. Doubt HST is an option?

Not a chance, but a high/low powershift is available with the 6X2 transmission.

 

[jyoutz]

Regardless of purchase mechanism, outside of the military "the government" isn't a big user of diesel cars or trucks.

Gasoline dominates and is rapidly transitioning to some variant of electric. For example the postal service plans call for new vehicle purchases to be 100% electric by 2028

Dan

We do buy diesels for fire engines and we need them to transport equipment.

 

[Shadow_storm56]

Yes, saw it was an “N” tractor for narrow. When you said moving pallets of apples makes sense.

Don’t believe the narrow matters for transmission options of that horsepower range.

Any other model tractor you look at will have emissions systems requiring a minimum RPM.

If the drivetrain isn’t jerky at those RPM, the hydraulic operation of the loader still will be.

I can handle the loader it's not terrible just can be super fast, fine if you expect it. It's the trans not liking that speed that's the main thing and plus driving around with alot less control because of constant rpm

 

[jyoutz]

They still regen.... also that's the fall. In the summer it's running big mowers and sprayers. That being said I drove the HST models before moving bins on another farm and they are A1

There is no problem with my 60hp tractor and regeneration. It regenerates every 50-60 hours and is over in 15 minutes. And with the HST there is no effect on operation.

 

[mikester]

I see you’re from Canada. That might be true there. It’s not true in the U.S. We order vehicles through standard fleet sales just like every business does.

The US Military doesn't. All other government agencies combined are small potatoes in comparison

 

[TheOldHokie]

The US Military doesn't. All other government agencies combined are small potatoes in comparison

GSA believes differently:

GSA Fleet is the mandatory source for procurement of all new non-tactical motor vehicles for the DoD and Federal executive agencies.

Jan 23, 2024

 

[hagrid]

I'm weird and I sometimes see things differently than others... and this is one of those times.

The OP seems to think they have a tractor problem. The way I see it, they have an apple/people problem. Remove those and realize new opportunities for leisurely regen action.

 

[TheOldHokie]

I'm weird and I sometimes see things differently than others... and this is one of those times.

That's why you have a cult following of weirdos

Dan

 

[jyoutz]

GSA believes differently:

GSA Fleet is the mandatory source for procurement of all new non-tactical motor vehicles for the DoD and Federal executive agencies.

Jan 23, 2024

Correct. And all non tactical vehicles purchased by GSA are standard and not different than sold to everyone else.

 

[TheOldHokie]

Correct. And all non tactical vehicles purchased by GSA are standard and not different than sold to everyone else.

The CFR authority:

§ 101-26.501-1 General.

Except as provided for the Department of Defense (DOD) in paragraph (a) of this section, each executive agency shall submit to GSA for procurement its orders for purchase in the United States of all new passenger motor vehicles (FSC 2310), trucks or truck tractors (FSC 2320), trailers (FSC 2330) van type (with payload of not less than 5,000 nor more than 50,000 pounds), and firetrucks and firefighting trailers (FSC 4210). Specifically included are sedans, station wagons, carryalls, ambulances, buses, and trucks, including trucks with specialized mounted equipment, truck chassis with special purpose bodies, and all van-type trailers (with payload of not less than 5,000 nor more than 50,000 pounds).


(a) DOD shall submit to GSA for procurement its orders for purchase in the United States for all non-tactical vehicles including, but not limited to, commercial-type passenger motor vehicles (FSC 2310), including buses, and trucks and truck tractors (FSC 2320).

(b) When it is determined by the ordering activity that requirements for passenger motor vehicles and trucks indicate the need for procurement by buying activities other than GSA, a request for waiver justifying the procurement shall be submitted in writing to the General Services Administration (FCA), Washington, DC 20406. GSA will notify agencies in writing whether a waiver has been granted. Justification may be based on the urgency of need or the fact that the vehicle has unique characteristics, such as special purpose body or equipment, requiring the agency personnel to closely supervise installation of the equipment by the contractor; e.g., when a medical van is to be equipped with Government- or contractor-supplied equipment. Requests for procurement through sources other than GSA will be handled on an individual basis provided full justification is submitted therefore.

(c) When it is determined by GSA that procurement of an individual agency requirement by GSA would offer no advantage over local purchase of the item, GSA may grant the ordering activity authority for local purchase. When such a determination is made, the order will be returned to the ordering agency with written authority for local purchase.

[38 FR 2176, Jan. 22, 1973, as amended at 43 FR 32767, July 28, 1978; 47 FR 41362, Sept. 20, 1982; 52 FR 29523, Aug. 10, 1987; 57 FR 47777, Oct. 20, 1992]

 

[mcmxi]

There is no problem with my 60hp tractor and regeneration. It regenerates every 50-60 hours and is over in 15 minutes. And with the HST there is no effect on operation.

As an owner and user of an HST and gear drive tractor, I will say that they're very different animals when it comes to the frequency and convenience of the regen cycle. The HST is by far the simpler of the two, but the fuel consumption rate of the HST is significantly higher.

I will also add that neither is a big deal when completing a regen while using the tractor. Obviously the HST rpm can be maintained over any ground speed whereas that's not the case with the gear drive so there's that.

 

[Shadow_storm56]

As an owner and user of an HST and gear drive tractor, I will say that they're very different animals when it comes to the frequency and convenience of the regen cycle. The HST is by far the simpler of the two, but the fuel consumption rate of the HST is significantly higher.

I will also add that neither is a big deal when completing a regen while using the tractor. Obviously the HST rpm can be maintained over any ground speed whereas that's not the case with the gear drive so there's that.

All fun and games until you knock bins of apples over lol.... or have people thrown off the back of the hayride trailer.

 

[GeoHorn]

Correct. And all non tactical vehicles purchased by GSA are standard and not different than sold to everyone else.

Some people just want to bad-mouth the ”gummit’ …or lawyers …or dealers… or mechanics….or cops….or so-on and so-on…. That is, Until THEY NEED them!

 

[jyoutz]

As an owner and user of an HST and gear drive tractor, I will say that they're very different animals when it comes to the frequency and convenience of the regen cycle. The HST is by far the simpler of the two, but the fuel consumption rate of the HST is significantly higher.

I will also add that neither is a big deal when completing a regen while using the tractor. Obviously the HST rpm can be maintained over any ground speed whereas that's not the case with the gear drive so there's that.

Unless it has a creeper gear, I wouldn’t think a gear tractor would be the best choice for repetitive loader operations.

 

[WI_Hedgehog]

Does regen have to be terrible?

Yes. Any time you're forced to do something it's not because it's a pleasant, smart, or a cost-saving option; if it were one or more of those most people would choose to do it on their own.

 

[hagrid]

All fun and games until you knock bins of apples over lol.... or have people thrown off the back of the hayride trailer.

Videos, plz!

 

[mcmxi]

Unless it has a creeper gear, I wouldn’t think a gear tractor would be the best choice for repetitive loader operations.

I find loader work to be ok with the gear drive tractor (with hydraulic shuttle) and only moderately more complicated than an HST. Running a PTO powered implement with a gear drive tractor is where I have to stay focused, particularly when making turns when there isn't a lot of room.