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[dirtydeed]

This news feed is from yesterday in neighboring Catasauqua. Not sure if this dolt had any signs out. He'll likely be charged for shooting (and hitting at least one) of two car thiefs. I don't like thieves either, but not a good idea to shoot at them for property theft.

Just sayin'

 

[dirtydeed]

 

[GreensvilleJay]

This news feed is from yesterday in neighboring Catasauqua. Not sure if this dolt had any signs out. He'll likely be charged for shooting (and hitting at least one) of two car thiefs. I don't like thieves either, but not a good idea to shoot at them for property theft.

Just sayin'

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we have a LOT of car/pickup thefts, many get transported to the 'rez'. Local guy heard a noise, HIS pickup was being stolen, he fires, kills the SOB. pretty sure he got off was 10-14 years ago.After that far less vehicles were stolen. Was always told, aim to kill NOT wound, cheaper in the long run.

 

[NCL4701]

Near 20 years ago, we had a shelter in place reverse 911 notification there was an armed and dangerous prison escapee in our area. I forget why, but I had to walk the 100 yards from my house to my parents’ house and back. Didn’t own a handgun at the time so I slung my .308 over my shoulder and walked to their house. On the way back, a sheriff deputy came down our little private road and stopped with the window of his cruiser down. He said it looked like we’d heard the warning. Confirmed we had, but I had to walk between houses and didn’t have a handier weapon. He said, well it looks like that thing on your shoulder could reach out and touch someone long before they got in range with a revolver so if you see a guy that looks like this (then showed me a picture of the guy they were looking for) make sure there’s only one story. Then he handed me a card with his phone number and told me to call him before calling anyone else if I needed any help with “remembering” that one story. Thankfully didn’t see the guy.

 

[Toyboy]

This news feed is from yesterday in neighboring Catasauqua. Not sure if this dolt had any signs out. He'll likely be charged for shooting (and hitting at least one) of two car thiefs. I don't like thieves either, but not a good idea to shoot at them for property theft.

Just sayin'

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What would be your threshold for protecting your property then ??

 

[Mark_BX25D]

Back in the days of real men when women couldn't vote, if there was a warning sign and someone got shot the court would prosecute the guy who got shot twice as hard given he had ample warning and ignored it.

Those were the days. And /flameproof suit on/ you have correctly identified the turning point downward for this country.

 

[Mark_BX25D]

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Is that statement referring to the aerodynamic device or the person using it?

 

[Mark_BX25D]

The sign we have on our driveway. Good luck with an attorney turning it into a threat.

He won't need any luck. There is plenty of precedent, and the law is squarely on his side.

Bravado is fun until it costs you 5-10 in the state pen.

 

[Mark_BX25D]

I think you severely underestimate how bad our legal system can be!

Exactly.

In Garden Grove, CA (located in mostly Republican Orange County, south of LA), an elderly (80s) man was being harassed in his own front yard by a gang of low-life teenagers. They were shoving him from one to the other pretty hard, and threatening him. His wife retrieved a handgun from the house and fired a warning shot into the ground. (NEVER fire a warning shot, people!)

She went to prison.

PRISON.

This was about 40 years ago. It's worse now.

 

[dirtydeed]

What would be your threshold for protecting your property then ??

PA is a "stand your ground " state. However, that doesn't apply to property without cause.

The details in the article I posted are lacking. If this was a straight up theft (as in they were attempting to steal his ride at night while he was in bed) or if it was a "car jacking" incident are two totally different circumstances with (likely) two very different outcomes for the shooter.

YMMV

 

[dirtydeed]

back to our regularly scheduled programming...

 

[Tughill Tom]

 

[Old_Paint]

Yes Sir thats pretty much a bolted fault and all bets are off

I see what you did there.

 

[Daren Todd]

 

[Daren Todd]

 

[Old_Paint]

A local underground coal mine, had a substation with chain link fence and barbed wire at the top and all kinds of danger high voltage ( 12 480 volt feeding underground ) signs. The copper thieves thought since the mine was idle they could make a good haul, cut through the fence ,, AND ,, tried to cut through the feed line with a battery saws all. They hit the first phase and since everything was insulated no worries, how ever since the mine was still pumping water and vent fans running, the feed line they chose was energized and when the saw blade came in contact with the next phase,, well ,, things just went sideways. The electrician on midnight went out to see what the problem was, and called the state police, and since there were bit of clothing and an very destroyed De Walt saws all, he knew what happened. The state police said they already had one man in custody though he was in the ER. It seems his buddies picked him up and dropped him off at a local truck stop and went back to W. Va. And true to a word he tried to sue the coal company , because they thought since the mine was idle, the cable was dead.

The story was going good for me until I got to the part about contact with the first phase. It would be pretty rare for 12470V to be fed with anything but armored cable, especially if it's where it can be accessed with a sawzall. The steel spiral jacket is grounded. The conductors inside have a copper film wrap (shield) that is also grounded. Otherwise, it would normally be shielded individual conductors with an additional ground pulled in conduit, plastic or usually steel in outdoor applications. There would be practically no way to saw into a live conductor without first sawing through a grounded shield. The only way to touch the live conductor without an explosion would have been to try to saw it at an exposed bolted connection (which is likely taped too). That would require doing so from a bucket truck where the thief would be isolated from ground. Otherwise, when that saw got within 3 inches of any exposed conductor, chances are, there would be blinding flash and it would all be over except the sad singing and slow walking, and proof again that Darwin was right. Copper thieves that try to rob energized substations must have all ridden the short bus to school. If it's hummin', best leave it alone.

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

The story was going good for me until I got to the part about contact with the first phase. It would be pretty rare for 12470V to be fed with anything but armored cable, especially if it's where it can be accessed with a sawzall. The steel spiral jacket is grounded. The conductors inside have a copper film wrap (shield) that is also grounded. Otherwise, it would normally be shielded individual conductors with an additional ground pulled in conduit, plastic or usually steel in outdoor applications. There would be practically no way to saw into a live conductor without first sawing through a grounded shield. The only way to touch the live conductor without an explosion would have been to try to saw it at an exposed bolted connection (which is likely taped too). That would require doing so from a bucket truck where the thief would be isolated from ground. Otherwise, when that saw got within 3 inches of any exposed conductor, chances are, there would be blinding flash and it would all be over except the sad singing and slow walking, and proof again that Darwin was right. Copper thieves that try to rob energized substations must have all ridden the short bus to school. If it's hummin', best leave it alone.

That's simply not true.
I was a commercial electrician for 10+years and worked on thousands of feeders and not a singe one was armored cable/.
Most cables were 750 MCM THHN or 1000 MCM THHN.
That wire can be direct burial or run in conduit.

 

[skeets]

The story was going good for me until I got to the part about contact with the first phase. It would be pretty rare for 12470V to be fed with anything but armored cable, especially if it's where it can be accessed with a sawzall. The steel spiral jacket is grounded. The conductors inside have a copper film wrap (shield) that is also grounded. Otherwise, it would normally be shielded individual conductors with an additional ground pulled in conduit, plastic or usually steel in outdoor applications. There would be practically no way to saw into a live conductor without first sawing through a grounded shield. The only way to touch the live conductor without an explosion would have been to try to saw it at an exposed bolted connection (which is likely taped too). That would require doing so from a bucket truck where the thief would be isolated from ground. Otherwise, when that saw got within 3 inches of any exposed conductor, chances are, there would be blinding flash and it would all be over except the sad singing and slow walking, and proof again that Darwin was right. Copper thieves that try to rob energized substations must have all ridden the short bus to school. If it's hummin', best leave it alone.

Well being inside a sub station where the cut was made was at the pole where it went down the bore hole, At that point the shielding was puled to support the cable and as I recall from my report he got through the first phase and hit the second at the point where the shielding was pulled back. When I got there the mine already had a bucket truck there and west penn power had pulled the air breaker. Since there was not one in the sub, that would make it mine property and the mine could pull them, being on the line side and not in the sub. The damaged leads had been pulled together and were being spliced, quite an operation.

 

[NCL4701]

 

[NCL4701]