Covid tests some kind of scam?

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Guess I will have to remember that next time my Social Security is deposited, or when I use Medicare health insurance. šŸ„“

Back to the topic of this thread, I did one time in the past request free Covid tests.

The link posted by Tughill Tom answered my question I think.
Henro - - you and many, many folks did the same thing. Nothing wrong with that.
Unfortunately, some companies are obviously taking advantage.

From the links Tom and others posted, you're not the only one to have this happen.

Our son was a college student and prospective Medical School candidate in early 2020, working part time in a Rochester New York hospital emergency room.

He was a college student working 24-36 hours per week at minimum wage as a medical scribe. Followed ER docs and documented what they did.

They eliminated his position when COVID came.

He was drawing almost $800 PER WEEK in unemployment - $180 state unemployment plus $600 for COVID aid.

Ridiculousā€¦..lots of individuals and companies took advantage.

My son said it was ridiculous also. He got another job shortly thereafter, as he didnā€™t want to be a part of it. .

Part of the reason weā€™re in the jam we are today.
 
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Itā€™s not the ā€Gubmentā€.

The intent of the ā€œgovā€™tā€ is to serve the citizens. The problem is the CORPORATIONS that find ways to cheat and steal from the taxpayer. And since most folks think theyā€™ll not personally have to put out any money for the Dis-serviceā€¦they do nothing about itā€¦and thereby FACILITATE the THEFT. And thatā€™s what it is: THEFT of our resources that WE pay for.

I placed them in a box and returned them postage-collect. They stopped coming.

I had a similar experience with an ordinary medical problem. I hurt my hands digging with an old style post hole digger. I thought Iā€™d broken my thumbs. I called a clinic and TOLD them it was my thumbs. They scheduled a visit. (This required a couple days and two 75-mile round trips.)

I went and they took x-rays and a doctor saw me and told me it was actually arthritisā€¦but that there was a ā€œprocedureā€ they could perform to provide relief. When I asked what the procedure wasā€¦.he admitted he was a LEG specialist and Iā€™d have to come back to see the HAND specialist.

I rescheduled to see the HAND specialistā€¦.(another $320 charged to medicare)ā€¦. who again x-rayed my hands and told me the exact same storyā€¦except he said the procedure meant borrowing a nerve-graft from my legā€¦which would require me to schedule another visit with the LEG specialist. šŸ‘ŗ

They knew their game. I turned the matter over to the medicate folks and have no idea what became of it.

My personal physician gave me some excersizes to perform with my hands which have relieved the problem.

We need to stop blaming the ā€œgubmintā€ for our own lack of personal responsibilities to REPORT FRAUD and to be ACCOUNTABLE ourselves instead of blaming others.
I don't think the corporations are cheating and stealing from the taxpayers at near the same rate as congress and senate members. They all begin at less than 200K per year and leave multi-millionaires.
 
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Guess I will have to remember that next time my Social Security is deposited, or when I use Medicare health insurance. šŸ„“

Back to the topic of this thread, I did one time in the past request free Covid tests.

The link posted by Tughill Tom answered my question I think.

Back off topic. If you think the government does nothing for you, next time you drive your vehicle, get where you are going without using any public roads. If you feel threatened donā€™t call 911. Heck, screw up and they will even provide you with free room and board! LOL. And then there is the military to protect us as a countryā€¦and the list goes on.
That's kinda exactly my point! They don't build or maintain roadways. They take dollars from working people, keep a cut and then give some of the dollars to the state for roadway funds. The state then hires contractors to build and maintain the roads. Although the Federal Government provided funds to help build the Interstate System, States own and operate the roads. Neither government "does" anything except paperwork and take a portion of said dollars.
Same for the military. I couldn't find a MOS for manufacturing rifles, bombs or ordinance. It's all farmed out.
They administrate. That's basically it. Worse yet, for every dollar in feral taxes I pay (and everyone else in the area), I receive about $0.40 in services.
Never called 911. Things like this are probably why I've always handled business in my own:
 
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I work in local government and I can assure you it's as bad as you may imagine. I can only imagine what it is on the federal level...
 
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I work in local government and I can assure you it's as bad as you may imagine. I can only imagine what it is on the federal level...
Soooā€¦.. You are saying YOU are Part of the Problem? ;) :ROFLMAO:

I worked in both state and fed. govā€™t and found my co-workers hard-working, intelligent, dedicated people.
That's kinda exactly my point! They don't build or maintain roadways. Roads that benefit ALL citizens.
They take dollars from working people, keep a cut and then give some of the dollars to the state for roadway funds. The state then hires contractors to build and maintain the roads. Although the Federal Government provided funds to help build the Interstate System, States own and operate the roads. Neither government "does" anything except paperwork and take a portion of said dollars.
Same for the military. I couldn't find a MOS for manufacturing rifles, bombs or ordinance. It's all farmed out.
They administrate. That's basically it. Worse yet, for every dollar in feral taxes I pay (and everyone else in the area), I receive about $0.40 in services.
Never called 911. Things like this are probably why I've always handled business in my own:
This illustrates the misconceptions and segue of bias which permeates society.

The state imposes road taxes to pay for road maintenance. Those taxes are paid by the people most likely to USE the roadsā€¦. vehicle operator/ownersā€¦thru various taxes including fuel taxes.
The Federal funding of highways are largely for Interstate highways which benefit everyone, including those who do Not make Direct Use of the highways ā€¦and those taxes are raised on the primary source of the fuel usedā€¦ taxes on oil leases drilled on govā€™t land.

Yes that could be viewed as a re-distribution of moneyā€¦but done so with good and intelligent purpose ā€¦and directly BENEFITS the citizens both Private and Corporate.

Blaming the Government for everything is a contagion to which we should put a stop. WE ARE the Government! ā€¦. until we begin to believe the Government is no longer US.ā€¦like our enemies wish to portray.

Quit bitchinā€™ and do something real about it. Get educated and Vote for sensible politicians instead of those who are there to serve only the CORPorate citizensā€¦.including FOREIGN Corporationsā€¦who come to take advantage of the ā€œCitizens Unitedā€ B.S.
 
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Soooā€¦.. You are saying YOU are Part of the Problem?

I worked in both state and fed. govā€™t and found my co-workers hard-working, intelligent, dedicated people.


This illustrates the misconceptions and segue of bias which permeates society.

The state imposes road taxes to pay for road maintenance. Those taxes are paid by the people most likely to USE the roadsā€¦. vehicle operator/ownersā€¦thru various taxes including fuel taxes.
The Federal funding of highways are largely for Interstate highways which benefit everyone, including those who do Not make Direct Use of the highways ā€¦and those taxes are raised on the primary source of the fuel usedā€¦ taxes on oil leases drilled on govā€™t land.

Yes that could be viewed as a re-distribution of moneyā€¦but done so with good and intelligent purpose ā€¦and directly BENEFITS the citizens both Private and Corporate.

Blaming the Government for everything is a contagion to which we should put a stop. WE ARE the Government! ā€¦. until we begin to believe the Government is no longer US.ā€¦like our enemies wish to portray.

Quit bitchinā€™ and do something real about it. Get educated and Vote for sensible politicians instead of those who are there to serve only the CORPorate citizensā€¦.including FOREIGN Corporationsā€¦who come to take advantage of the ā€œCitizens Unitedā€ B.S.
Do you suppose there were individuals working in the areas you were employed who did not possess/demonstrate those qualities you mention?

Don't you suppose those are the folks Mrlunchbox is referring to?

Have you followed any of the whistle blower's testimony before congress? There appears to be some scum everywhere! Read up about FBI Special Agent Garret Oā€™Boyle and what the FBI did to him and his family after doing what he thought was necessary to protect his country. How do you propose we eliminate that kind of BS? We've got leaders in the FBI, DOJ, Homeland Security who will not answer questions put to them by congress/senate. They are only interested in their agenda. The American citizen is left out.

Here's an example of what government attorneys do to suit their agenda:

A perfect example of using selective prosecution to attack political opponents is the Foreign Agents Registration Act. For years nobody ever was incarcerated for violating that law. If the Department of State felt like somebody needed to register, they notified them and gave them 60 days to register. If they didnā€™t register, the Department of Justice was notified. Then they exerted a little pressure until the person registered. That was it.

Then Donald Trump was elected.

At least three Trump affiliates were convicted and sentenced to prison under that act even though they had no prior criminal history and two of them never received a penny from a foreign enterprise.

Hunter Biden was not even charged and he received hundreds of millions of dollars from our adversaries.

You see, we do not have a two-tiered Justice system in this country. We have a three-tiered justice system in this country.
 

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I was real sick 13 years ago. Pulmonary Embolisms. While in the hospital, all sorts of doctors stopped by my room. I'd ask thier specialty and sent most packing. One was a OYB-GN!!! These crooks want to sign the chart and charge the fee.
My Dad was in hospital a few years ago and I sat with him 24 hrs/day for 4 weeks, taking notes of how much he ate and drank ā€¦versus how much he expelledā€¦ and observed that:

Nurses tried to administer medicines intended for other patients. One tried to make him drink his inhalation meds. Another tried to inject insulin into his abdomen in the middle of the nightā€¦ignoring my statements that Dad is NOT diabetic.. I had to physically grab both her wrists holding the syringe and forcefully move her into the hallway. (Found out that another patient on the same floor with a similar last name was diabetic.)
Staff attempted to get him to perform physical-therapy tasks for which his doctors had prohibited.
The Director of Physicians deliberately attempted to by-pass family directives.
He was given meds which disabled him, which after reading the PDR I insisted to be withdrawn. When I returned to his room a different med was givenā€¦which upon investigationā€¦was actually the SAME medication under a Different Name!
He was in hospital originally for a potential aortic aneurism-repair ā€¦but was given a triple-by-pass instead. When the by-pass was completed he was told he had no need for aortic-aneurism repair.
They then installed a defibrillator/pace-maker which subsequently performed no useful function.
The hospital sent in a podiatrist ..for reasons unknownā€¦who decided to trim his toenails and instead made a nasty cut on one toe. I threw this man out of the room as I had walked in just-then.

By the 3rd week He had contracted pneumonia and became very week and ill with high-fever.

Since this was all in the Michael Debakey Heart section of Houston Methodist Hospitalā€¦his own doctors were not allowed to participate in his health care. I contacted them and had them arrange an ambulance-transfer to Houstons Park-Plaza Hospitalā€¦whereupon he was immediately diagnosed with Septicemia and near death. When the Methodist Hospital finally allowed the ambulance-techs to enter his roomā€¦it was not the 9AM hour as scheduledā€¦but 3PMā€¦. for which they charged Medicare another $350 for staying another day beyond check-out.

When we got him into Park Plaza, His personal physician, Dr. Nelson Fernandez personally stayed with him (despite being a day AND a night he was scheduled ā€œoffā€) ā€¦.. and administered anti-fever and anti-biotic medication through the night which saved his life despite predictions he would succumb that evening.
His personal cardiologist Dr. Jonas Garcia spent the next two weeks correcting his regimen after-which his heart functions returned to normal.

Dad recovered and returned home to a normal life and lived another Five Years of general good health and happy retirement.

Bottom line: Only the presence of a ā€œpatient advocateā€ ā€¦continually present ā€¦and intimately involved in the direct care of the patient will provoke hospitals to provide intelligent and meaningful health care. Hospitals will examine the Health Insurance of the patient and they will perform EVERY procedure that insurance will pay-forā€¦. Regardless of itā€™s pertinence to the disease for which admission was made. Dadā€™s insurance was billed for thou$and$ which had Nothing to do with his condition ( the podiatrist who injured him was only a small part.)

By the wayā€¦ the Park Plaza house doctor visited Dadā€¦and discovered that Dad was the former Charity Hospital Board Member who once 20-years earlier had castigated him in a formal public meeting in which the doctor felt ā€œwrongedā€. During the doctors sudden realization who Dad was, he admitted that as a young intern he had been incorrect, and he complimented Dad for helping to create the public EMS system for Houston in the early ā€˜70s. (Dad was an electricianā€¦not a hospital administrator. He had provoked the county judge and Houston mayor to investigate the city practices of using funeral homes for ambulance services and to initiate a ā€œtriageā€ practice in ERs similar to what was practiced in VietNam MASH units.

Sorry to be so long-winded...but if this helps anyone else deal with the public and private health systemsā€¦it will be worth it. Keep in mindā€¦the hospital will administer tests and procedures that insurance will pay-forā€¦.even if those have Nothing to DO with the illness. ā€œDo no Harmā€ā€¦is only an oath doctors supposedly takeā€¦ has little to do with ā€doing whatever theyā€™ll pay forā€.
 
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Do you suppose there were individuals working in the areas you were employed who did not possess/demonstrate those qualities you mention?

Don't you suppose those are the folks Mrlunchbox is referring to?

Have you followed any of the whistle blower's testimony before congress? There appears to be some scum everywhere! Read up about FBI Special Agent Garret Oā€™Boyle and what the FBI did to him and his family after doing what he thought was necessary to protect his country. How do you propose we eliminate that kind of BS? We've got leaders in the FBI, DOJ, Homeland Security who will not answer questions put to them by congress/senate. They are only interested in their agenda. The American citizen is left out.

Here's an example of what government attorneys do to suit their agenda:

A perfect example of using selective prosecution to attack political opponents is the Foreign Agents Registration Act. For years nobody ever was incarcerated for violating that law. If the Department of State felt like somebody needed to register, they notified them and gave them 60 days to register. If they didnā€™t register, the Department of Justice was notified. Then they exerted a little pressure until the person registered. That was it.

Then Donald Trump was elected.

At least three Trump affiliates were convicted and sentenced to prison under that act even though they had no prior criminal history and two of them never received a penny from a foreign enterprise.

Hunter Biden was not even charged and he received hundreds of millions of dollars from our adversaries.

You see, we do not have a two-tiered Justice system in this country. We have a three-tiered justice system in this country.
I suppose there are people employed in govā€™t which represent the general population at large. Thatā€™s what is meant by ā€œwe the peopleā€.

Soā€¦you are complaining that a law, long-standing on the booksā€¦.is finally being vigorously enforced..??

And you are also complaining that the agencies under Trump failed to prosecute Hunter Bidenā€¦and that under the Biden Administration those agencies have finally been directed to prosecute him or to settle the case against him and impose penalties despite his father being president..??
 
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And you are also complaining that the agencies under Trump failed to prosecute Hunter Bidenā€¦and that under the Biden Administration those agencies have finally been directed to prosecute him or to settle the case against him and impose penalties despite his father being president..??
I don't think that's it at all, George. Rather, the MSM, DOJ and the Big Guy himself can no longer keep a lid on it like they did for 2020. It's really rather simple.

Besides, he can always get a pardon from daddy now. ;)
 

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By the way, the sky is blue, except on days with impressive sunsets. Or on cloudy days. Or at nightā€¦.gee, what color is the sky really?
 
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Soooā€¦.. You are saying YOU are Part of the Problem? ;) :ROFLMAO:

I worked in both state and fed. govā€™t and found my co-workers hard-working, intelligent, dedicated people.


This illustrates the misconceptions and segue of bias which permeates society.

The state imposes road taxes to pay for road maintenance. Those taxes are paid by the people most likely to USE the roadsā€¦. vehicle operator/ownersā€¦thru various taxes including fuel taxes.
The Federal funding of highways are largely for Interstate highways which benefit everyone, including those who do Not make Direct Use of the highways ā€¦and those taxes are raised on the primary source of the fuel usedā€¦ taxes on oil leases drilled on govā€™t land.

Yes that could be viewed as a re-distribution of moneyā€¦but done so with good and intelligent purpose ā€¦and directly BENEFITS the citizens both Private and Corporate.

Blaming the Government for everything is a contagion to which we should put a stop. WE ARE the Government! ā€¦. until we begin to believe the Government is no longer US.ā€¦like our enemies wish to portray.

Quit bitchinā€™ and do something real about it. Get educated and Vote for sensible politicians instead of those who are there to serve only the CORPorate citizensā€¦.including FOREIGN Corporationsā€¦who come to take advantage of the ā€œCitizens Unitedā€ B.S.
Uh.... no. But before I go into that, I don't appreciate you insinuating I am not educated on this, and am not involved politically in reducing the stranglehold the feral government has on We The People.
So, to correct you, the truth is this:
About 74% of highway infrastructure investment is paid by STATE and LOCAL governments.
Of that money which the feds do pay, 82% comes from the motor fuel excise tax (gas tax) per gallon of fuel. It is NOT from oil leases.
I am not anti Government. I am anti Federal Government.
I'm not going to stray into the political side of things here. I will, however, say that I DO vote for sensible politicians. Not those that have the interest of foreign (cough, China) countries, foreign (cough, Yelena Baturina) nationals and foreign (cough, Burisma / CEFC) countries.
 
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Wow! Even though I started this thread, I had look back and see what the subject Was! šŸ˜³
To your original post. Yes, I do think it's a scam. Companies are ripping off medicare.
 
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Soooā€¦.. You are saying YOU are Part of the Problem? ;) :ROFLMAO:

I worked in both state and fed. govā€™t and found my co-workers hard-working, intelligent, dedicated people.

The folks I work with are awesome, just like you mentioned. Its some management/town officials that do things I wouldn't be happy with in general. Even corporations working with us take extreme advantage. Stuff costs way more than it should, etc. That's the kind of stuff I am referring to. Very sad unfortunately.

If you ever watched Parks and Rec that show sums up local government perfectly. And I am just like Ron Swanson. šŸ˜‚ šŸ˜‚ šŸ˜‚
 

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Uh.... no. But before I go into that, I don't appreciate you insinuating I am not educated on this, and am not involved politically in reducing the stranglehold the feral government has on We The People.
So, to correct you, the truth is this:
About 74% of highway infrastructure investment is paid by STATE and LOCAL governments.
Of that money which the feds do pay, 82% comes from the motor fuel excise tax (gas tax) per gallon of fuel. It is NOT from oil leases.
I am not anti Government. I am anti Federal Government.
I'm not going to stray into the political side of things here. I will, however, say that I DO vote for sensible politicians. Not those that have the interest of foreign (cough, China) countries, foreign (cough, Yelena Baturina) nationals and foreign (cough, Burisma / CEFC) countries.
I am on your side of things but we need to understand that those that depend on the gubbermint teat for every facet of their life will continue to defend the hog to the day they die. My land, home, business and everything else I got in spite of the hog, not because of it, others are the reverse.
 
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I am on your side of things but we need to understand that those that depend on the gubbermint teat for every facet of their life will continue to defend the hog to the day they die. My land, home, business and everything else I got in spite of the hog, not because of it, others are the reverse.
Oh, don't I know it. Many in my family depend on the hog. Thing is, as my dad used to say, pigs get fed. Hogs get slaughtered.
 

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Wow! Even though I started this thread, I had look back and see what the subject Was! šŸ˜³
And what did you discover?
Oh, don't I know it. Many in my family depend on the hog. Thing is, as my dad used to say, pigs get fed. Hogs get slaughtered.
Well yes, but pigs soon become hogs !!!!!
 

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Uh.... no. But before I go into that, I don't appreciate you insinuating I am not educated on this, and am not involved politically in reducing the stranglehold the feral government has on We The People.
So, to correct you, the truth is this:
About 74% of highway infrastructure investment is paid by STATE and LOCAL governments.
Of that money which the feds do pay, 82% comes from the motor fuel excise tax (gas tax) per gallon of fuel. It is NOT from oil leases.
I am not anti Government. I am anti Federal Government.
I'm not going to stray into the political side of things here. I will, however, say that I DO vote for sensible politicians. Not those that have the interest of foreign (cough, China) countries, foreign (cough, Yelena Baturina) nationals and foreign (cough, Burisma / CEFC) countries.
Everything you wrote is predominately what I had already posted. (The oil lease comment you make is erroneous. The BLM rules require that The MLA indicates that for oil and natural gas leases, in states other than Alaska, 50% of bonuses, production royalties, and other revenues (e.g., settlements, interest) are to be disbursed to the state in which the lease is located and 40% are to be deposited in the Reclamation Fund.

 

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@GeoHorn, thanks for sharing your Dadā€™s experience. Your dedication and presence undoubtedly saved his live multiple times. Imagine if that had been during Covid when your Dad would not have been permitted to have an advocate.

Just my opinion, but likely many lives were lost during that period for exactly that reason. Zero accountability to the patients, replaced by free money for ensuring certain illnesses were counted. Just think what might have been if so many hadnā€™t died from the outcome of untreated bronchitis.