Clock spring on a Bx23s

hagrid

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Final offer: I'll encase the entire steering wheel group inside a microwave oven. I'll connect the platter rotator of the oven to the steering mechanism. If you want to steer, start the oven. The platter will start turning. If its going the wrong way then stop and restart the oven. The platter will turn the steering wheel the other direction.

To warm your hands, set oven to DEFROST and place hands inside oven.
 
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Final offer: I'll encase the entire steering wheel group inside a microwave oven. I'll connect the platter rotator of the oven to the steering mechanism. If you want to steer, start the oven. The platter will start turning. If its going the wrong way then stop and restart the oven. The platter will turn the steering wheel the other direction.

To warm your hands, set oven to DEFROST and place hands inside oven.
Ok, I give up, you win ! :giggle:
 
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The coupler is strictly for energy transmission, not for direct heating. High voltage will solve the issue.
It will not in my estimation.

Let's say we want at least 60W of heat on the steering wheel, basically what a 60W light bulb outputs but distributed over the whole steering wheels surface through a wrap of high-resistance nichrome wire. This requires insulating the steering wheel from the heat, and the wire from you, so it's not easy or free but it's certainly doable.

An inductive coupler suffers from high inefficiency, so it's good for charging low-power waterproof devices like a cell phone or toothbrush, but not a steering wheel. It'll be hard to fit one to the steering wheel, so we'll probably need use of a lathe and other fabrication equipment as the transmission side has to be mounted to the dash and the receiving side to the steering column, so we're in for $200 labor/materials in mounting. The alignment and distance between coils is essential, plus we need to keep mud/dirt/branches/whatever from impacting the setup, so this isn't a cheap date.

Phone inductive charging is between 60-75% efficient, father spaced devices (toothbrushes) 50-70%, since we don't have design labs we'll probably hit half of that so 25% efficiency.

60W / 0.25 = 240 W (needed from the tractor)
240 W / 12 V = 20 A (needed from the tractor)

20 amps off the tractor alternator...hope we don't need to run any lights! Doable, but we're likely at the limit of what a tractor alternator can spare.

Looking on eBay there's a 12V 3A system for $70, if we add a 12V to 24V booster we can get a 100W system for $30 on Alibaba (so figure that's 25W constant power). So we'll have to stack a few systems, figuring about 25W each we'll need 60W / 25W = 2.4 rounded = 3. We might be able to fit 3 sets of coils (6 coils total) in, but the steering wheel will need to be extended so there's not harmonic interference. Hmmm....that's a safety issue.

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So I guess inductive coupling is possible, but if you count labor along with materials that's gotta be north of $500 to get it working, likely $1,000.

I'm using an SAE plug and glove liners, so about $100 for 12V glove liners (mine were $35, but that was years ago), and a single-zone controller is $50. With the rest of the wiring it's under $200, say $300 if you count your labor.

I run two dual-zone controllers for pants/vest, gloves/glove liners (as the suit is used in fall on the motorcycle, but when the snow falls the suit also works for the tractor). If we add that up:

Heated Gloves: $180
Glove Liners: $100
Dual-Zone Temp Controller: $70 x2
High-end Jacket Liner: $280
Heated Pants: $250
I figured for an additional $50 it's better to get heated pants than a heated pant liner.

Coax Female to SAE Cable: $12
12V Splitter Cord: $20

And you'll have to wire the gloves/liners through your sleeves--on that, instead of what I'm doing (which is for motorcycling) I think it would be smarter to use a Y-splitter at the glove/liner connected to single cable and single controller instead of dual-zone controller:
- Heated Gloves
- Heated Liners
12V Splitter Cord: $20 x2
12V 2 Foot Extension Cord: $12 x2
Single-zone controller: $50

If you wanted boot liners you could go back to the dual controller, but like I said previously I buy bigger boots and put wool socks on, but you get the picture.

The heated gloves and glove liners is redundant, but you wouldn't have cold hands....
So anyway, you'd have to configure what you wanted, but a rough estimate is:
Hands: $180 + $100 + $20 x2 + $12 x2 + $50 = $400
Chest & Legs: $280 + $250 + $70 = $600
Wiring: $35

So also about $1000 and it works by simple SAE plug, and it's more than just the steering wheel, and it''s all off-the-shelf stuff you can buy right now.

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For me the design part is fun, and I was curious what the costs involved would be.

OH! The current draw for the Gerbing setup should be around 9A maximum, likely around 5A under normal use on a cold day.

I buy Gerbing because the quality is excellent, the power draw reasonable, and they have been around a long time as a reliable source. I saw cheaper stuff on eBay and Amazon, but not by much, so I stick with Gerbing. (I have no connection to any vendor and get nothing from this or any other post.)
 
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hagrid

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Yabbut you're tethered to the machine with physical conductors which compromise safety and, quite frankly, are unsightly.

I shall not compromise the safety or aesthetics of my Q'doba brethren for a mere $1750 folding cashish.
 
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Usually of the KISS "philosophy". Why I've just been using those air activated hand warmers. The frugal side of me has been saving the spent contents (iron, vermiuculite, charcoal .....) in a glass jar. Plan is just to mix it in with some ice melt salt for application on the steep section of my ice covered driveway. The packets don't really add up to much. Figure why trash. Might aid in melting ice and/or enhance traction. Or nada.

But If i can find heated mitten liners that use rechargeable 18650 lithium batteries. Will give those a try.

Thought just passed the old brain. Lithium ion or polymer overrun. That would heat up the hands fast as you have a mitten on fire.
 

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I would not see that as so pessimistic. Two copper rings attached over the hub of the wheel and a brush holder from an alternator would do the trick with very little effort.

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I didn't look into this too much in depth but something like this would work.

It's a 2-piece, 2-circuit slip ring that could be clamped onto the base of the steering wheel itself. Two circuits- one for +12VDC and one for 0VDC. No idea if the size is correct though. If this was something I wanted to do, I'd dig further into this. Some 3D printed protective guarding would need to be made.

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GreensvilleJay

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curious, I googled 'hollow slip ring 5amp' and came up with LOTS of them !
It's all in the 'details'... aka what diameter the shaft is and height... for sure someone does make something that'd work..

..me, I wear light cotton gloves, under my mitts. I also have a 'winter windshield' that DRAMATICALLY cuts down wind and snow and rain from ruining my 'seat time'.
 

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I’m curious if there is a way to add a clock spring onto the tractor steering. I’ve tried using a heated steering wheel cover but the wire connection keeps breaking. I’ve concluded in my mind this is not possible since the tractor steering is hydraulic and doesn’t have a constant turn to lock like automobiles. im not that knowledgeable on clock spring applications so I thought I would ask the group to get more info.
Thanks,
Option B:
Get something like this:
Cut the ends off and wire it in.
 
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