Choosing between recommended oil weights

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My L4701 manual says that for my temperature range I can run either at 15W-40 or 10W-30 multi grade. Im in Western KY and I would say I operate fairly equal amounts between hot and cold, not that we see super extremes in either direction.

This is my first DPF tractor, so other than the CJ-4 designation- what grade are folks using given the choice?

Also, I'm struggling to find the oil filter part number. any ideas where I could locate that online not being at my tractor right now

Thanks in advance!
 

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HH164-32430, I think…
You can use a Fram PH8a, Wix 51515, or equivalent…

Oil - I would use CK-4 for a machine with DPF, additives have been tweaked to be kinder to the DPF…
I suggest Shell Rotella T6 in 5W-40,

First number is viscosity when cold, second is when hot…
 
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Oil Filter
HH164-32430, I think…
You can use a Fram PH8a, Wix 51515, or equivalent…

Oil - I would use CK-4 for a machine with DPF, additives have been tweaked to be kinder to the DPF…
I suggest Shell Rotella T6 in 5W-40,

First number is viscosity when cold, second is when hot…
I agree with 5W-40, but want to add another good option Valvoline extreme synthetic 5W-40 is also a great option.
 

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[QUOTE="mattwithcats, post: 605016,

Oil - I would use CK-4 for a machine with DPF, additives have been tweaked to be kinder to the DPF…
I suggest Shell Rotella T6 in 5W-40,

First number is viscosity when cold, second is when hot…
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I have been running Shell Rotella T6 5W-40 in almost all my equipment around the farm for years. Seems to be a good oil. I did run one change of Shell T6 15-40 in the MX last year as I couldn't find any 5W-40 for a bit.
 

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[QUOTE="mattwithcats, post: 605016,

Oil - I would use CK-4 for a machine with DPF, additives have been tweaked to be kinder to the DPF…
I suggest Shell Rotella T6 in 5W-40,

First number is viscosity when cold, second is when hot…
I have been running Shell Rotella T6 5W-40 in almost all my equipment around the farm for years. Seems to be a good oil. I did run one change of Shell T6 15-40 in the MX last year as I couldn't find any 5W-40 for a bit.
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I did too, but switched to Valvoline when T6 became hard to find and expensive. The Valvoline is carried at all Cummins shops and endorsed by Cummins. I also found it at NAPA for a reasonable price.
 

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HH164-32430, I think…
You can use a Fram PH8a, Wix 51515, or equivalent…

Oil - I would use CK-4 for a machine with DPF, additives have been tweaked to be kinder to the DPF…
I suggest Shell Rotella T6 in 5W-40,

First number is viscosity when cold, second is when hot…
The first # is a pore wt the second # lubrication viscosity / IE pores like a 5wt oil but has the lubrication capisity of 40wt at any temp. /And I'm Not trying to be a smart ass .
 
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The first # is a pore wt the second # lubrication viscosity / IE pores like a 5wt oil but has the lubrication capisity of 40wt at any temp. /And I'm Not trying to be a smart ass .
Kidding or not you are so very wrong. This table tells you exactly what it means. Those properties and nothing more.

Dan
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S7328 oil filter, exact match, or S8a oversize…

STP 5W-40 diesel oil…
Careful, there is the Euro 5W-40 and the Diesel 5W-40…

I check Rock Auto every month or two, closeout oil filters show up every so often…
A few years go, Fram Pro Synthetic, and Champion oil filters were less than a dollar…
Still working through my stash…
 

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Mobil Delvac Extreme 15W-40 Full Synthetic; easier to find (@Wal-Mart) than Rotella (which is good stuff btw) and relatively cheap for a high-quality full syn.
 
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Kidding or not you are so very wrong. This table tells you exactly what it means. Those properties and nothing more.

Dan
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5w -30w / 10w - 30 / 20w -30 & 30w all have the same lubricatings properties becacse there all 30w base stock they add polymers to allow the oil to pour easier all the time & more so at colder temps / Dont want to start a pissing match here / Just search multi viscosity oil
 

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A 5w40 and a 10w30 use very different base stocks and a formulation is usualy a blend of three or more base oils from different base oil groups. More highly refined Group III, IV, and V base stocks have higher viscosity indexes which is the main way low temperature and high grade spread performance is acheived. You cant realistically formulate a 5W40 engine oil using lower quality Group I or II base stocks and lots of polymers.

If you go shopping for base stocks they will be classified by base oil group, KV100, and viscosity index not "grade".

But that is meaningless - the only thing that matters is how the finished oil performs in those J300 tests because that, not base stock, is what determines final viscosity and grade. If you want to know what xxWyy means that table is all you need.

I made my living researching lots of different technologies and I have researched multi-grade engine oils out the wazoo.

Dan
 

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A 5w40 and a 10w30 use very different base stocks and a formulation is usualy a blend of three or more base oils from different base oil groups. More highly refined Group III, IV, and V base stocks have higher viscosity indexes which is the main way low temperature and high grade spread performance is acheived. You cant realistically formulate a 5W40 engine oil using lower quality Group I or II base stocks and lots of polymers.

If you go shopping for base stocks they will be classified by base oil group, KV100, and viscosity index not "grade".

But that is meaningless - the only thing that matters is how the finished oil performs in those J300 tests because that, not base stock, is what determines final viscosity and grade. If you want to know what xxWyy means that table is all you need.

I made my living researching lots of different technologies and I have researched multi-grade engine oils out the wazoo.

Dan
i agree 30w & 40w are different base stocks / just stating the first # is what it pours like
 

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For the OP;
Strictly sticking with what the manual recommends is going to present difficulties. As has been mentioned, the API classification of CJ4 while still current, is superceded by CK4. Kubota has a long history of omitting perfectly acceptable viscosity ranges, notably lower "W"inter numbers. 0w40, 5w40, 10w40, and 15w40 are suitable for a Kentucky climate.
I run my equipment frequently in the teens, so my preference is a 0w40 or 5w40.
 

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i agree 30w & 40w are different base stocks / just stating the first # is what it pours like
All of these numbers describe pour characteristics but at different temperatures/conditions. That is what viscosity means. Allow me a long winded example.

Mobil produces many different base stocks with different refining processes and different rheological (viscosity) characteristics. Lets take a look at one - SpectraSyn 10. Mobil describes this as a Group IV (PAO) grade 10 base oil.

Does that mean it is a SAE grade 10? No - in fact the SAE system has no grade 10. In this case grade 10 refers to its kinematic (pour) viscosity at 100C. In this case that is 10 cSt as measured in a simple gravity viscometer. In the SAE system that KV100 would be a grade 30 oil. If you look at the SpectraSyn 10 product data sheet below you will also see that particular base oil also has a VI of 137 and a CCS viscosity of 8840 cP @ -30C. That does not have a direct read across counterpart in the SAE system but it puts it very realistically in the neighborhood of SAE grade 10W and possibly even 5W.

So this virgin base oil containing ZERO polymers or other additives is already rheologically a SAE 10W, 30, and 10W30 grade oil all at one time. It is entirely possible to blend a full throated SAE 10W30 engine oil using a base oil of this type and nothing in the way of polymers. For a time Mobil, Amsoil, and a few others did exactly that.

If you go to the Mobil website and look at the full SpectraSyn catalog you will also see they have 11 different PAO base oils with KV100 ranging from a high of 100 cSt to a low of 1.8 cSt. Those viscosities far exceed the high and low end of the SAE grade ranges.

Why is that important? What do you thing happens if a blender mixes a smidge of the 100 cSt base oil, a bunch of the 10 cSt base oil, and another smidge of the 2 cSt base oil? If you choose carefully you can get a new rheological profile with better low and high temeperature viscosity without resorting to any polymers,. Stretching the point a bit you might even be able to push the resulting KV100 over the lower limit for SAE grade 40 and the MRV/CCS viscosity below the upper limit for SAE grade 5W giving you a base oil with 5W40 rheology without using any polymers. This is why it is technically incorrect to talk about the viscosity of base oils in terms of SAE grades and futile to try and deduce the actual viscosity of the base oil(s) from the finished SAE grades.

The SAE J300 table and the grade label on the container tells you all you need to know about the viscosity profile of a finished oil. It also tells you next to nothing about the engine lubricating properties of the oil. That is very dependent on the other additive packages (wear , oxidation, detegents) that go into an engine oil. The API service classes are where you go to make those sorts of comparisons.

In practice mixing very expensive Group IV (PAO) and Group V (ester) base oils is not a cost effective way to blend a commercial multi-grade engine oi. So current practice is to use maybe three or more less expensive base oils from different base oil groups (primarily Group III) and use relatively small amounts of polymers to shift the rheological profile both directions. You get the same SAE multi-grade rheology at a lower cost point.

Dan

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Another oil thread of the rails by a few who want to show off the knowledge instead of answering the simple question that the OP asked.
 

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My L4701 manual says that for my temperature range I can run either at 15W-40 or 10W-30 multi grade. Im in Western KY and I would say I operate fairly equal amounts between hot and cold, not that we see super extremes in either direction.

This is my first DPF tractor, so other than the CJ-4 designation- what grade are folks using given the choice?

Also, I'm struggling to find the oil filter part number. any ideas where I could locate that online not being at my tractor right now

Thanks in advance!
One man's opinion- if you store it inside a insulated building or heated garage, go for the 15w. Outside or in a pole barn use the 10w.
 
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I buy M1 0w30 from Advanced Auto. It's European diesel rated similar to the 5w30 Castrol that VW sells for its many million diesels running around all over the world and what we used for nearly 7 years in our VW TDI.
 

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I keep it simple and run the same synthetic oil in five diesel engines. I just changed the oil on the F250 yesterday in preparation for a trip to WA state this Friday.

9000 SynShield® OTR Plus Full Synthetic 5W-40


Oil has advanced significantly over the years, but I've read some articles that advise running the narrowest operating range possible for the given conditions. Basically, they've made the point that all of the additives that allow an oil to change viscosity over a wide temperature range are a detriment to oil performance. I ran 15W-40 in Hawaii in an F350 7.3L for that reason, and would run it here if not for the seasonal temperature ranges that are obviously much wider than Hawaii.
 
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