California does it again!

[notaz3]

For the people who say California should secede or be ignored they might want to pay attention to what happens once California manages to set it's regulations... the cancer spreads to other states. The people in California need to stop allowing unelected agencies to control our lives.
Abolish the CARB.

 

[Ton]

I’ve seen the brown smog hovering over LA many times. It’s quite an impactful sight. Just sayin….

 

[leveraddict]

Cali! Too many people, too many vehicles, too much traffic! The air is thick enough to see in some places and soon you wont be able to drink water, flush or shower! Get ready for the big migration to the east coat!

 

[The Evil Twin]

There are nearly 3 times the people drawing water and power off of the lake than it was designed for. What did they expect?

 

[aaluck]

Keeping a vehicle up to standards is a a part of running a business.

I don't think you are understanding the issue. If my trucks are legal in 49 states and not in california the problem is NOT the other 49 states. This whole 'the sky is falling" is getting old and tiresome.

People are not the cause of this warming.

1. According to the same set of 'scientists' that believe in global warming, the entire earth was covered in ice 600 million years ago. Its called the Cryogenian period. People had zero effect on the ice melting and the earth warming 100's of degrees on its own.

2. The people that scream the loudest about it are the biggest offenders--private jets, houses big enough to qualify as hotels, motorcades, on and on. If they actually believed in this stuff they would start with themselves as opposed to everyone else. Hard to take these folks serious when they all show up to their 'global warming event' in private jets.

 

[Bmyers]

I do not see the problem here. The newer heavy trucks already have this equipment. If it is working there is not an issue and you go on your way. If it is broken you have to fix what is a violation to begin with.
Or is this another case of 'just comply' does not include certain people.

In my State, my truck isn't broken. It meets all legal requirements for where the vehicle is licensed. Why should California get to set standards for a vehicle that is NOT licensed in their State? By all means control the vehicles licensed within your State, but don't try to regulate other States vehicles.

 

[Biker1mike]

I don't think you are understanding the issue. If my trucks are legal in 49 states and not in california the problem is NOT the other 49 states. This whole 'the sky is falling" is getting old and tiresome.
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California was granted the privilege almost 60 years ago under the Clean Air Act !
If you do not want to comply with the Ca rules you do not have to do business there.
The people of California have the constitutional right to petition the government to change the rule.

It is just my opinion but, I would think any truck or fleet of trucks that are well maintained would not have problems meeting the standard.

BTW: I live in a state with some counties that require emission inspections for autos and we never had a car fail when we lived in one of those counties. All it took was basic maintenance.

 

[Henro]

At 75, with only (hopefully) 25 or 35 years left on the planet...LOL...I don't worry about such issues and leave them to my more capable kids and grand kids to deal with...

Works for me! LOL

Live long and prosper!

 

[Biker1mike]

At 75, with only (hopefully) 25 or 35 years left on the planet...LOL...I don't worry about such issues and leave them to my more capable kids and grand kids to deal with...

Works for me! LOL

Live long and prosper!

If I was religious I'd give you an Amen !
I plan on being an activist at some level until my last breath. For my great grandkids (none yet ) and a couple of generations after them.

I must admit , many things from California are too far out for me.

 

[BigG]

California was granted the privilege almost 60 years ago under the Clean Air Act !
If you do not want to comply with the Ca rules you do not have to do business there.
The people of California have the constitutional right to petition the government to change the rule.

It is just my opinion but, I would think any truck or fleet of trucks that are well maintained would not have problems meeting the standard.

BTW: I live in a state with some counties that require emission inspections for autos and we never had a car fail when we lived in one of those counties. All it took was basic maintenance.

I guess you are one of those people that think if the government does it it must be alright. Hope you enjoy the added expenses to your life to pay for the requirements added to the trucking industry's bills.

Your comparison of your car to that of a truck shows your lack of experience in the reality of the trucking business. You just do not get to run to NAPA to get the parts you need. Shutting down the truck costs the owner $100's of dollars per day in lost miles driven. If your car goes down you get to catch a ride with somebody, most times not costing a great deal.

Missing a delivery appointment can cost you hundreds of dollars per HOUR. If your load is to be offloaded by a crane they charge the truck for the waiting time of the crane which can be multiples of $100 per hour. So shutting a truck down because it is blowing a few parts per million over the limit could bankrupt an owner/operator. Would you go bankrupt if you had to put your car in the shop?

The ability of CARB to make these random laws or restrictions will cost a great hardship on many, many people.

 

[notaz3]

I guess you are one of those people that think if the government does it it must be alright. Hope you enjoy the added expenses to your life to pay for the requirements added to the trucking industry's bills.

Your comparison of your car to that of a truck shows your lack of experience in the reality of the trucking business. You just do not get to run to NAPA to get the parts you need. Shutting down the truck costs the owner $100's of dollars per day in lost miles driven. If your car goes down you get to catch a ride with somebody, most times not costing a great deal.

Missing a delivery appointment can cost you hundreds of dollars per HOUR. If your load is to be offloaded by a crane they charge the truck for the waiting time of the crane which can be multiples of $100 per hour. So shutting a truck down because it is blowing a few parts per million over the limit could bankrupt an owner/operator. Would you go bankrupt if you had to put your car in the shop?

The ability of CARB to make these random laws or restrictions will cost a great hardship on many, many people.

Bikeer1mike, you also need to understand that CARB is not an elected body. The major population of the state has no idea how trucking and agriculture work and they just want to "save the planet" . Same as mandates being signed saying the state will be free of gas powered cars by 2035; however, none of the state agencies have started the transition. Still seeing a lot of police, fire, ambulance, and state/city vehicles running on gas or Diesel.

 

[D2Cat]

 

[BigG]

Biker1Mike

You say you want to be an activist. Go to Pittsburg and Wheeling WV and look what government regulations have done to the economy of the entire region. The sky is now clear and looks so nice. Now look at the PEOPLE and FAMILIES that have been devastated by the lack of ability to make any money. Thousands of good paying jobs are gone. The iron and steel making are gone. The related jobs that were created with that industry are gone. The ability for the people to grow and prosper are gone.

I could not follow my dad into the coal mines. Closed because they dug up "dirty coal" The mines paid well and my dad provided us with everything that we needed. People can not provide for themselves as well as they once could. The mining, trucking, riverboats, railways as well as the refining, smelting and shaping sides of the iron industry are all gone. So are all the jobs that were supported by the people spending their money. Shopping, new home construction, restaurants, auto dealers literally every part of the economy has been hurt and hurt hard.

Now most of the steel is manufactured in China and India. And their governments do not give a damn about being "green". So the pollution is still being made. It is being made unchecked just not made in the US. We still need the materials and products so we pay other people what we use to pay to Americans. The steel that was produced here with limits placed on the pollutions is now made overseas without any restrictions.

The net results of the activism is a great loss to the local economy across several states. A great increase of hopelessness and despair has spread throughout the region. The products are still being produced offshore without any pollution controls. The wealth generated is going from our country to other counties. And we are dependent on other countries for our steel supply.

BUT THANK GOODNESS THE SKY IS BLUE.

 

[Biker1mike]

I guess you are one of those people that think if the government does it it must be alright. Hope you enjoy the added expenses to your life to pay for the requirements added to the trucking industry's bills.

Your comparison of your car to that of a truck shows your lack of experience in the reality of the trucking business. You just do not get to run to NAPA to get the parts you need. Shutting down the truck costs the owner $100's of dollars per day in lost miles driven. If your car goes down you get to catch a ride with somebody, most times not costing a great deal.

Missing a delivery appointment can cost you hundreds of dollars per HOUR. If your load is to be offloaded by a crane they charge the truck for the waiting time of the crane which can be multiples of $100 per hour. So shutting a truck down because it is blowing a few parts per million over the limit could bankrupt an owner/operator. Would you go bankrupt if you had to put your car in the shop?

The ability of CARB to make these random laws or restrictions will cost a great hardship on many, many people.

You are right. Limited hands on knowledge of trucking. That being said, the trucking industry working the ports of California are more than familiar with the CARB. These regs are not that new and the larger firms will adapt and make money. Those not willing to adapt will move on or out.

I spent a career dealing with federal, state, and local regulations. In the beginning if we could not meet the requirements we did not bid the job. As time went on we spent huge amounts of capital dollars to meet and or exceed all government requirements.

 

[skeets]

This will also effect the farmers on the left coast as well, not to mention the rail road system. And the cancer that forms in Ca works its wat east to places like NJ and newyoukrastan.SO if trucker whoes truck is legal in some other state cannot go in to Ca for pick ups or deliveries due to the air thing. WHo suffers, yes the trucker does some but he has 47 other states to work with. It will be the people in ca that will suffer, the farmers will suffer if they cant get stuff to market or cant update equipment and the doper onthe street wil be in pig heaven. People are leaving and they will have the pick of homes to destroy. The left is going to turn the whole coast in to THUNDER DOME

 

[Henro]

You say you want to be an activist. Go to Pittsburg and Wheeling WV and look what government regulations have done to the economy of the entire region. The sky is now clear and looks so nice...

On one hand I get what you are saying. I made my living on the trailing edge of the transition from heavy industry here in the Pittsburgh area, and live less than ten miles from the city center as the crow flies.

Still…life goes on. Other jobs here pay well, but these days you need to invest in an education to get one.

I am beyond that point. My kids are doing OK but they have college degrees…as I do too.

When I was a kid the street light were turned on in the afternoon in the city sometimes due to heavy pollution.

I kind of like the clean air and blue sky now…for me personally, and more importantly for my grandkids.

 

[Biker1mike]

Okay, I'm done.

 

[torch]

I've been involved in repowering grape harvesters. Remove the old engines and install new electronic tier 4 engines. Uninspector comes on site and makes you knock a large hole in the side of the crankcase. The latest one that I did they made you also break the flange where the oil pan bolts up. Once that is done the engine is yours. I've also been involved in the tractor program. Depending on hours of use a year they can pay you up to 80% to replace an ag tractor. And those cases we have to do the same destruction to the engine block and depending on the inspector sometimes they will let you take sheet metal and things of that type off the machine. The tractor does have to run and move on its own power 50 ft. Then you have to take it to an authorized disposal site.

Do I understand correctly?
They pay up to 80% for the new engine/tractor, with the provisos that 1. the machine had to move 50' with the old engine before replacement and 2. the holes are punched in the old engine?

That doesn't sound completely unreasonable.

 

[lugbolt]

it's getting political and I'll add before it's locked up.

If it weren't for government mandates, our cost to live would be waaaayy lower. Probably 75% lower. and that's not just the direct mandates. It's mandates on places that make things that farmers or truckers use, meaning the government says "you can't paint with this kinda paint, you gotta use this other stuff"....which don't last, it costs more, both of which cost the people who buy it, which gets passed down to the consumer, who always 100'% bears those cost increases.

but certain groups do not recognize this, or they do and say "it's the cost of....", or "it's just a few pennies a day".

And what do you end up with?

California. The land of the great migration. The land of the communist state government who is continually voted in by ignorant people who tend to be the loudest. Those who don't vote for or against what they believe in have no say-so. Period.

 

[007kubotaguy]

Do I understand correctly?
They pay up to 80% for the new engine/tractor, with the provisos that 1. the machine had to move 50' with the old engine before replacement and 2. the holes are punched in the old engine?

That doesn't sound completely unreasonable.

Torch
That is correct. Different counties within the state of different programs. The application process can take up to a year. You can typically go up 20% in horsepower. So if you have a hundred horsepower tractor you can replace it with 120 horsepower tractor. If you only put a few hundred hours a year on a machine you may only get 20% of the cost of the new tractor. If you put a thousand or more hours a year on the tractor as many of the commercial users do the incentive is much larger. There has been a lot of nice equipment going to the scrap yard. A lot of the large equipment like stigers are being repowered. The equipment I have been involved in were harvesters. We were responsible to report hours of use and what county the equipment was used in for period of 5 years. If you didn't use the equipment as many hours as you estimated they could come back to you for part of the replacement cost. As in any government program many strings attached. The large horse ranch my son works for just replaced 15 gas golf carts with 15 Electric golf cart. All through a state funded program that paid almost 80%. This is why it cost so much to live in California. Please know that we're not all whack jobs.