BX1870--PTO capabilities?

JackJ

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Hello!

First post here. I've been narrowing down my options for a mowing/firewood hauling/light landscaping machine for my hilly property, and I'm close to set on a new BX1870 for the extra features over what I'd get in a heavy duty garden tractor. One of those features is the rear PTO, and I'm posting here in "Tractor Operating" because I'm wondering what I can reasonably expect to operate off of the 13.7 available hp.

My primary uses will be the MMM, loader, and occasional use of the 3PH for a grader blade or box blade. I'm not planning the purchase of any rear PTO equipment. But given that it's there, I'm wondering how well it might handle a post hole digger, small brush hog, etc. My gardening is all in raised beds, so I don't see using a rototiller, and not enough snow for anything other than a blade here.

What else are users operating off of the low horsepower PTO's?

Thanks for any advice!

Jack
 

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They can pretty much handle any PTO powered implement that is properly sized.
There are smaller, less HP'ed models out there and they have a complement of PTO powered implements that they can run.
 

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Normally the PTO HP is somewhat less than the rated engine HP. If you are thinking of a generator, the KW rating would be about half the HP at the PTO.

I have a BX of about the same size and find it does OK mowing and snow removal. However, it is a small tractor and has limitations, such as height of bucket when loading a truck.

Having had larger tractors fora larger property, I only got this one since I have a city lot. When re-grading the lot, I had to bring in a larger one. The BX is not much good for grading since the control of the three point is very crude. It is a simple valve, of up or down and no setting of the elevation of the blade by setting the position of the control. It is a major fault.
 

JackJ

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Dr Honda

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The post above is a good example of "It's hard to go backwards". (lol) If you've never owned a big tractor... then the BX will be a god send. Yes... the 1/4" valve ont he BX isn't as nice as one that has a set height. AND... the tilt on the 3pt is all manual. BUT, it's more than capable to grate a gravel driveway.

Sure... there is always a better tool... but it it worth the price tag to go bigger? It wasn't for me. I was in the same situation as you... and I really only needed a new lawn tractor. In my case, I was having a hard time buying a $3000 tractor that was basically disposable.


As far as the PTO... as said above... just buy a PTO tool that is of appropriate size. So... if you get a rough cut PTO deck... don't expect it to swing a 8' wide, Bat-wing. But, a 54" will be just fine. One thing to keep in mind... the PTO on the Kubota's is a little under rated... but it's a diesel pushing that PTO. SO... you can't think of just the HP number. (in respects to a gas engine)


Buy the BX1870, and don't look back !!! It's a great little tractor, and it will do more than you would expect. (and the 4x4 is great on the hills)




 

JackJ

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Thanks for the input--I'm buying it mostly as a mower and tow-er, but will certainly want to explore the other functionality, within its limitations.

Glad to hear your endorsement Dr. Honda. I'm pretty sure this is the machine for me. But from your photo I've got two questions for you, if you don't mind:

With R4s not being a factory option on the BX1870, I'm not sure whether turfs or R1s will be better for me. I've read elsewhere that some users mow with R1s and don't have significant problems with tearing or marking up their turf; other users have indicated they get very good traction with turf tires, even when towing on hills, by using the 4wd and diff lock when needed. So it doesn't sound like either would be a horrible mistake. But still not sure which way to go--leaning turf at the moment. Also wondering about ballast--more traction, of course, but also more lawn problems? The dealer I visited recommends R1s and no ballast for my application. Since Pittsburgh is far from flat, I'm wondering about your experience with turf tire. I hope to be able to tow large garden carts of green firewood up and down trails. But I will be driving back and forth across some narrow sections of lawn, and don't want to leave muddy tracks. (I do know enough to keep off the grass when it's wet.)

Also wondering about your ROPS--looks like it is folded down farther than I thought you could go on the BX's. I usually see it sticking straight back in the down position. I intend to have it up on any inclines, but will need to lower it to store in my garage, and there the less room it takes up the better, especially for my cranium.

Thanks!

Jack
 

Howling

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Also wondering about your ROPS--looks like it is folded down farther than I thought you could go on the BX's. I usually see it sticking straight back in the down position. I intend to have it up on any inclines, but will need to lower it to store in my garage, and there the less room it takes up the better, especially for my cranium.

Thanks!

Jack
The ROPS fold down is one of the changes in the BX..70 to BX..70-1 series updates.
 

dfh1977

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If the ROPS fold down it is very hard to do with out something to pull it down on mine at least. And thats removing all the bolts and pins where it is so tight in it.


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Dr Honda

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Thanks for the input--I'm buying it mostly as a mower and tow-er, but will certainly want to explore the other functionality, within its limitations.

Glad to hear your endorsement Dr. Honda. I'm pretty sure this is the machine for me. But from your photo I've got two questions for you, if you don't mind:

With R4s not being a factory option on the BX1870, I'm not sure whether turfs or R1s will be better for me. I've read elsewhere that some users mow with R1s and don't have significant problems with tearing or marking up their turf; other users have indicated they get very good traction with turf tires, even when towing on hills, by using the 4wd and diff lock when needed. So it doesn't sound like either would be a horrible mistake. But still not sure which way to go--leaning turf at the moment. Also wondering about ballast--more traction, of course, but also more lawn problems? The dealer I visited recommends R1s and no ballast for my application. Since Pittsburgh is far from flat, I'm wondering about your experience with turf tire. I hope to be able to tow large garden carts of green firewood up and down trails. But I will be driving back and forth across some narrow sections of lawn, and don't want to leave muddy tracks. (I do know enough to keep off the grass when it's wet.)

Also wondering about your ROPS--looks like it is folded down farther than I thought you could go on the BX's. I usually see it sticking straight back in the down position. I intend to have it up on any inclines, but will need to lower it to store in my garage, and there the less room it takes up the better, especially for my cranium.

Thanks!

Jack
It depends on your ground.

If you have hard, dry-ish ground... then you could get away with the industrial tires. I know they aren't an option, but your dealer may swap them. My ground is relatively soft, and an aggressive tread would absolutely SHRED my yard !! But I guess that will depend on how often you mow. My yard is a manicured yard... and in the spring/early summer... it's getting mowed every 4~5 days.

If your primary goal is a "mower"... then get turf tires.

If you are thinking of plowing a section of your yard (soft mud)... then you will need the R1's to dig in, but there's no way I could mow with them.

FYI: I have my tires filled, but I don't hang extra ballast.

As far as traction... my yard is hilly, and I've never lost traction, even when wet. (using 4wd) AND... if that even becomes a question... you have a rear dif-lock that will make it go. I even store one of my Utility trailers (6x12') behind my shed, and I drag it up to the street with my tractor. (up a grass hill) I generally don't even need 4wd to do that. A yard cart isn't an issue, even on the hills.

One thing to keep in mind... more rubber in contact, will give more traction. (in general) To get a R1 to get real traction... it has to dig in.

The ROPS can fold down (more or less) flat to the base. The one that sticks out backwards, is the older one. (pre 2013 ?) So, if you are looking at a new one... it will be just like mine. And yes... it's great to be able to put it down, and put it in the garage. FYI... I only put it up when I'm using the FEL. It's the only time I get "Tippy".

Cool! I've only just seen mention of the there being an "-01" update. Any idea what else was changed?
It was a change in the ROPS, and the floor mat. (that was only cosmetic)

If the ROPS fold down it is very hard to do with out something to pull it down on mine at least. And thats removing all the bolts and pins where it is so tight in it.

Once you do it a few times... it loosens up. The first time I did mine... it was dam near impossible. But after it was worked a few times... and I put a few drops of oil in the pivot... I can move it pretty easy now.

Just don't forget to put it down before putting it in the garage. (lol) I did, and crushed my new aluminum trim around my garage door.
 

Dr Honda

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I know this isn't my mower... but you can see one of the hills I mow. (on the left) I don't try to go sideways on it... but up and down, and there's never a hint of traction issues.



 

JackJ

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I know this isn't my mower... but you can see one of the hills I mow. (on the left) I don't try to go sideways on it... but up and down, and there's never a hint of traction issues.
Thanks for including that--definitely a significant hill, and gives me more confidence in the turf tires. My trickiest sections are dirt trails on hills. They can of course get very soft and slick when muddy, and then the R1s would no doubt get me up and down more reliably and safely. But I plan to continue staying off the trails (as I do know) in those conditions.

Less avoidable would be snowy conditions, since I'll be needing to move firewood to the house when it's that cold. But I can get to most of my woodpiles directly over lawn areas, so still ok with turfs then. And I'm seeing many reports of turf tires being surprisingly effective in the snow.

Thanks again for all the help here. I think I'm down to deciding between the BX1870 and the BX2370. Probably go with the smaller one, because it should do all I need, though perhaps a bit slower and with a few more trips, and will save me some money.

Jack
 

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You can add chains in the winter if the turfs wind up having traction issues.
 

dfh1977

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Checked with dealer on chains to fit wheels but none were in stock at time. Lawn mower has chains that fit it but i think over time it causes the tires to go flat since front wheels never go flat as easy. Seen these on amazon and have wondered if it would be better on wheels and also have traction when moving snow in winter and garden work in spring and summer. http://www.amazon.com/TerraKing-ST90008-TerraGrips-Chains-23x10-5-12/dp/B009SMU9MK also will try greasing up ROPS To see if it would be easier to lower but from what figure on it as appears bent when removed off tractor causing them to be hard to bend downward in my case.
 
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OK I make that ride a couple times a year, Grand folks lived out in Herminie and then run to Ligenior to the highland games in the fall. That country has changed a lot over the last 60 some years
 

Dr Honda

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Thanks again for all the help here. I think I'm down to deciding between the BX1870 and the BX2370. Probably go with the smaller one, because it should do all I need, though perhaps a bit slower and with a few more trips, and will save me some money.

Jack
Not a prob, glad to be able to help.

Personally, I'd save the $$$ and get the 1870. You will save +$1500, and the speed difference really isn't much. (about 1 mph) AND... the front axel ground clearance is actually higher on the 1870. Obviously, you will give up a few HP... but the other differences can be added. (Arm rests, reclining seat, and cruse control) I was going to add the arm rests, and cruse on mine... but after using my tractor for a year... I realize that I really wouldn't use them. SO... save the money on the tractor, and use it to buy other implements you may need/want. (like a tooth bar for the bucket. It's great for digging)


Here's a little more eye candy.....










 
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