BX Series Tractor Only - Front vs Rear weight?

pacesetter42

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WITHOUT the front loader or a backhoe/3pt implements... BX tractor alone -- Does anyone know which is heavier - front or rear of the tractor?

I'm asking for towing reasons. I have two vehicles I'll be towing on a 16' trailer that will probably just barely fit and I'm curious if anyone knows which end of the BX is heavier for weight distribution purposes (whether or not I'll drive it straight on or back it on).

Anyone who knows, thanks for your time.
 

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Very interesting question. But the BX is so small that I am wondering if it is much of a concern.

Perhaps watching the drop in the rear of the tow vehicle as the trailer is loader might be the best indication of what you should do?

Just a thought. Hope someone who has actual experience will chime in, either with an answer to your specific question or advice otherwise.
 
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Mowbizz

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BX 2 time owner here. Just judging on the weight of the rear vs the front, I would hazard a guess the rear is heavier (big beefy axle and hydro trans, gas tank as well as loaded rear tires.) I do have a backhoe and there is structure to support same which only adds to the rear.
 
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The back is heavier is my guess. I don't have a scale to test that theory.
 

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The back is heavier is my guess. I don't have a scale to test that theory.
I would guess the same. BUT by what percent?

I think at the end of the day the drop in the trailer tongue, as the tractors are loaded, will tell the story... certainly want downward pressure on the tongue before leaving the loading site....
 

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I would guess the same. BUT by what percent?

I think at the end of the day the drop in the trailer tongue, as the tractors are loaded, will tell the story... certainly want downward pressure on the tongue before leaving the loading site....
Probably the easiest way to find out is one of the Tongue Weight scales. Put a mark on the deck of the trailer, say 2-3ft ahead of the axle. Drive on Fwd, note tongue weight...Drive on backward to the mark, note tongue weight.

I wouldn't bother being that fussy about it.
 

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I hauled a BX2370 with MMM on a 2009 Sure Trac 7x12 rated at 2990 lbs. The trailer weighs 1k lbs (CAT scales) and load was under 1.8k lbs (Kubota owners manuals). I loaded it nose first and tied it down. The mid pto was over the trailer rear axle putting the tractor axle a few inches aft of the trailer axle.
 

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pacesetter42

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Thanks everyone. Yeah "rear is heavier" was my guess too, for the same reasons. Probably is. I actually have a tongue weight scale so I'll be able to check and ride safe.

I guess for more context, I have the BX body only which is about 7.5' and a Gator HPX which is about 9.5'. Loading them on a 16' single axle, 7k flatbed trailer for a bit of a drive. Something will be hanging off the back a bit.

Ideally I'd load the gator in backwards to hang the bed box over the tongue area but I want to keep the heavier weight in the front so tractor will go on first.

Loading the BX head on might let me hang the front over the tongue a bit and keep the heavier rear end closer to the axle. Then back the gator on because the rear is heavier on that.

Little trial and weighing in my future. If I get a photo I'll post it back here just for fun. Taking the trip around New Years.

Thanks again!
 
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skeets

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Dont know what you are trying to tow, but you will run out of traction before you run out of power,, with that being said, with a BX getting it moving is not the problem,, stopping is, just think about that
 

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Dont know what you are trying to tow, but you will run out of traction before you run out of power,, with that being said, with a BX getting it moving is not the problem,, stopping is, just think about that
He asked...

I'm asking for towing reasons. I have two vehicles I'll be towing on a 16' trailer that will probably just barely fit and I'm curious if anyone knows which end of the BX is heavier for weight distribution purposes (whether or not I'll drive it straight on or back it on). Anyone who knows, thanks for your time.
 
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PaulL

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Without loader, and without filled tires, I'd guess the front given engine weight. My old BX got light in the rear very quickly without a rear implement. But it's probably not just which end is heavier, but also which end you can get closer to the front of the trailer / put your Gator closest to. And I guess you should also wonder whether the Gator or the Kubota goes on first - I'd guess the Gator to be lighter perhaps, specially if you load it backwards.

Neil from Messicks did some videos where he was checking the weights on the individual wheels on a Kubota (I think a B, but maybe a BX). He was aiming to prove that ballasting the rear reduces load on the front axle I think from memory, but he did give weights by corner. But I think that was with loader on - IIRC the front axle had more weight than the rear. I'll see if I can find that.

Here's a link to a test he did on a New Holland in a similar size class - 60% of weight on the front, but with loader on:
. I'd guess with loader off it'd be more like 60% to the back - the loader weights a good couple hundred kg. Let's make up maths:
- tractor about 650kg (https://www.orangetractortalks.com/forums/threads/bx-vs-b01-vs-b50.36719/)
- loader about 200kg (made up, but I know the bucket is about 60kg, so loader arms and cylinders must be a bit)
- So 850kg in total, 60% front with loader on = 510kg on the front, 340kg rear
- Take the loader off, that means 510-200=310kg front, 340kg rear
- So actually about 50/50, on that maths

There's another video with a BX, which gives actual weights:

That says 1300lbs on front axle with loader on. Which is 1300/2.2 = 590kg. He's got a rear ballast box on, so rear weight won't be accurate for our purposes.

But overall, I'd guess there's not much in it, and which end you can load closer to where you want is probably more important than which end is heavier.
 
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GreensvilleJay

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OK, here's a fun experiment to do !

Take ramps off trailer, place and secure on a stout pipe.
Yes, you just made a 'teeter-totter'.....
Slowly drive tractor onto one end and stop when teeter-totter is balance.
Now you KNOW where the 'center' point is.The front is actually heavier by YOUR weight.
Not as precise as 4 load cells but it'll be good enough and easier than loading/unloading the trailer 5 times !
 

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There use to be a DOT Scale Shack near me, for finding things like this out. About ten years ago, it got decommissioned.
 

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Wow... some extravagant and some dangerous suggestions.

Hook the trailer up to tow vehicle. Drive BX onto the trailer front end first as far forward as you can go. Measure the height of the trailer deck from the ground. Now back onto the trailer, measure the height of the trailer deck again. Compare.
 
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