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[NHSleddog]

... If it gets up to 99% I might antagonize it to trigger the regen by idling it. Last time I left it idle while I swapped an implement for the back blade. By the time I was done it was blinking and asking for rpm increase, so I did and went out back to tidy up the manure pile before winter.....

How many hours on your 3560?

Fortunate for you that "life" didn't happen while idling like it did to the OP. You could have been in for thousands in repairs as well for just letting your tractor run.

 

[sheepfarmer]

How many hours on your 3560?

Fortunate for you that "life" didn't happen while idling like it did to the OP. You could have been in for thousands in repairs as well for just letting your tractor run.

The implements I was swapping were on that tractor so I could look at the screen on the dash every so often, but my point is I planned it that way. If I'd had to leave I would have shut it off. It is no different for me than not leaving my truck running when I run into the grocery store, 2003 diesel, not because of the engine but because it might get stolen. Leaving the tractor idle on purpose is a waste of fuel, there is no advantage to it on the new tractors. Getting interrupted and forgetting it is another issue, and your point that it is a high price to pay is understood.

From my perspective all the tractors and vehicles with dpf filters that need certain conditions to regen should be outfitted with both the monitor the L60 and up have, but the L01s do not, AND a button to push to trigger a regen when convenient for the operator. I have heard that some big tractors have that feature.

 

[NHSleddog]

So you are not sure of the hours on it?

It is good that things work out perfectly for you. The OP and others are not as fortunate.

My point was you can run to help a screaming neighbor and come back needing thousands in repairs on your diesel tractor that should be able to idle for days on end without requiring any service.

 

[802Driver]

washdown has not occurred here, maybe because of the climate

however I have seen diesel in engine oil a time or two usually from mechanical failure of some sort, and utter carelessness in regards to oil changes. Hey the book says 200 hours first time right? So that means I can probably go 400 hours. Oh, since I have synthetic, I can run 2000 hours on an oil change.

perhaps washdown is a function of regeneration, dunno. It wasn't discussed at any of the classes I was forced to go to. Oil quality was a big deal as was keeping the air filter clean. The biggest issue in reference to common rail was moisture and/or gasoline in the fuel. Eats supply pumps and injectors. Almost nobody checks the separator and almost everyone uses the cheapest oldest dyed fuel they can find which sits in the tanks for up to a year, picks up moisture (condensation) and is suspended in the fuel. Then it eats injectors and supply pumps; yet the owner can't figure out why. A fuel chemical analysis almost always shows water and/or gasoline, and if this happens....kubota ain't gonna warranty it. It ain't their problem the fuel's got water in it. And if it aint all flushed out and done properly, it'll happen again. Common rail stuff is extremely sensitive.

the downside to common rail, dpf, and/or def is just like diesel pickup trucks. Maintenance. You ain't ignoring it now like you could with the old stuff. Or, I guess you can but it's likely to bite you in the backside later on. And secondly, there is more maintenance that has to be done, so it costs more. That'a an unfortunate side effect of having to deal with it.

And this is why I'm happy I didn't need anything more than 26hp to avoid the emissions caper, unbelievable how many headaches and stress it has caused, (not just tractors) especially if you are relying on a piece of equipment to earn money for you. Not the case in this topic, but look at the headache, now its a trip to the dealer.
How long before somebody gets fed up and come out with an after-market tuner that will delete the emissions so the tractor could operate like it was intended? I'm ranting and its over ...

 

[SidecarFlip]

Gee, I idle my cab M9 excessively in the summer to keep the ac running and the cab cool inside. I(n fact, when I'm running hay, I never shut it down all day and often times it's idling between operations or when I'm eating my lunch, taking a whizz and rubbernecking.

Never hurts it a bit. I also believe the engines in the M9's have oil jets in the crank journals that shoot oil upwards into the cylinders and piston skirts to keep the pistons lubricated and cooled. Most turbocharged diesels have them.

In the winter I also idle the cab tractor quite a bit. I warm it up prior to using it for snow removal and it idles constantly when out of the tractor shop.

Never had a wet stacking issue with it or the open station either. Neither ever 'slobber' at all.

That may change next summer when the price of diesel climbs up (and it will), but probably the summer after next as I have all my next summer fuel bought and in the bulk tank already.

From reading on here about the T4 final engines, I presume idling is a bad thing. Not so with mine.

I idle my grain truck too in the summer. never had an issue with the 3406 Caterpillar slobbering either, or lack of lubrication in the cylinders but I do know that the Cat engine has 'squirters' on the crank journals. Same with my diesel pickup truck. Of course none of them are T4 engines.

 

[SidecarFlip]

How long before somebody gets fed up and come out with an after-market tuner that will delete the emissions so the tractor could operate like it was intended? I'm ranting and its over ...

Probably a long time, if ever. You cannot do a delete on a Kubota engine or a JD engine or for that matter, any T4 tractor engine without physically altering the emissions hardware as well as the computer software. Not in the cards unless you have a large wallet and I don't see much of a market for it anyway because there just isn't enough units out there in tractorland to make it a worthwhile venture for an aftermarket tuner to make a profit on. besides, the EPA is coming down hard on the 'rolling smoke' tuners and levying stiff fines.

The day of 'smoke' is done unless you own and operate pre 4 engines like I have. Not that mine smoke a bunch because they don't unless under an extreme load and even then, minimal smoke. When a diesel smokes, it's not combusting the fuel efficiently, IOW, it's going out the exhaust pipe.

Bottom line is, if you own a post 4 engine, you get to deal with the emissions hardware and software, like it or not, it's how it plays and will always be a part of ownership.

 

[802Driver]

Probably a long time, if ever. You cannot do a delete on a Kubota engine or a JD engine or for that matter, any T4 tractor engine without physically altering the emissions hardware as well as the computer software. Not in the cards unless you have a large wallet and I don't see much of a market for it anyway because there just isn't enough units out there in tractorland to make it a worthwhile venture for an aftermarket tuner to make a profit on. besides, the EPA is coming down hard on the 'rolling smoke' tuners and levying stiff fines.

The day of 'smoke' is done unless you own and operate pre 4 engines like I have. Not that mine smoke a bunch because they don't unless under an extreme load and even then, minimal smoke. When a diesel smokes, it's not combusting the fuel efficiently, IOW, it's going out the exhaust pipe.

Bottom line is, if you own a post 4 engine, you get to deal with the emissions hardware and software, like it or not, it's how it plays and will always be a part of ownership.

Ya, I get that, I'm not going out on a vigilante terror to change the face of emissions, it should have been introduced mostly full-proof is my point, prior to introducing to the masses. It's mostly an inconvenience in the case with the OP, but the real issue is with people that depend on machinery and trucks for their living, that are continuously plagued with emissions related break-downs. Everyone knows you're not making money sitting in the shop.
Its not so much they are headed to the shop for repair, its the long line-ups ahead of them (emissions related). That's why there are so many after-market tuners cropping up. Everybody is sick and tired of the un-reliability. I know we are talking about tractors south of 100hp here, but what about the farmers and truck driver's that don't have much of a choice?

It just could have been done a lot better.

 

[SidecarFlip]

Ya, I get that, I'm not going out on a vigilante terror to change the face of emissions, it should have been introduced mostly full-proof is my point, prior to introducing to the masses. It's mostly an inconvenience in the case with the OP, but the real issue is with people that depend on machinery and trucks for their living, that are continuously plagued with emissions related break-downs. Everyone knows you're not making money sitting in the shop.

How'd you like to be the owner operator of a modern T4 final Class 8 truck and have it in the shop for emissions related repairs, happens constantly.

I retired from a Freightliner / Western Star dealership, a full 80% of all repairs are emissions related.

Its not so much they are headed to the shop for repair, its the long line-ups ahead of them (emissions related). That's why there are so many after-market tuners cropping up. Everybody is sick and tired of the un-reliability. I know we are talking about tractors south of 100hp here, but what about the farmers and truck driver's that don't have much of a choice?

Me, I'm as close to that 100 horse mark as you can get and why I don't want nor own a T4 final tractor. I farm with mine btw.

It just could have been done a lot better.

Very typical scenario perpetuated by the 'clean air 'crowd and mandated by the EPA among others using various components and methods that have never been proven to be reliable over the long haul. You, as the end user, gets to perform the First Article Testing, sometimes at your own expense (there is a 5 year Federal Emissions warranty mandate on all T4 final engines in any vehicle or truck)

Far as aftermarket tuners and hardware / software modifications, the Federal EPA is wise to that and is pro actively eliminating them or fining them out of existence.

They don't want anyone screwing with any system in the hopes of defeating it.

How it plays, like it or not. Best avenue (for me at least) is not owning any T4 units and I don't none of my engines are T4, in fact they are T3 interem which means basically no emissions related hardware or software, All mechanically injected and no aftertreatment either.

We can go on forever about it but the bottom line is, it is what it is and you get to play by the rules or you don't play at all.

There are still alternatives out there but those alternatives are getting less and less by the day as people are either keeping the pre 4 engines or if they sell one, it demands a premium price. My Pre 4 units are increasing in value, not decreasing and that will prevail for the foreseeable future.

 

[802Driver]

Very typical scenario perpetuated by the 'clean air 'crowd and mandated by the EPA among others using various components and methods that have never been proven to be reliable over the long haul. You, as the end user, gets to perform the First Article Testing, sometimes at your own expense (there is a 5 year Federal Emissions warranty mandate on all T4 final engines in any vehicle or truck)

Far as aftermarket tuners and hardware / software modifications, the Federal EPA is wise to that and is pro actively eliminating them or fining them out of existence.

They don't want anyone screwing with any system in the hopes of defeating it.

How it plays, like it or not. Best avenue (for me at least) is not owning any T4 units and I don't none of my engines are T4, in fact they are T3 interem which means basically no emissions related hardware or software, All mechanically injected and no aftertreatment either.

We can go on forever about it but the bottom line is, it is what it is and you get to play by the rules or you don't play at all.

There are still alternatives out there but those alternatives are getting less and less by the day as people are either keeping the pre 4 engines or if they sell one, it demands a premium price. My Pre 4 units are increasing in value, not decreasing and that will prevail for the foreseeable future.

Well, we have a little less in the way of enforcement north of the border,(for now I suppose) but if I can help it, I'll stay in the latter group like you have stated.