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dmoore

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So the original battery in my 2006 B7800 lasted 10 years...4 years ago I installed an Interstate which I consider to be one of the best batteries period. Yesterday I went to start the tractor and nothing but clicking. Jumped it off and started right up. After mowing 5 acres I shut it off and it would only click. Jumped it again and checked the battery voltage with meter...alternator slowly charging battery..watched it come up to 12.5v. I believe the alternator is charging and the battery is just not accepting. My question is have you guys replaced your original battery with a Kubota battery and how long did that 2nd original battery last? Thanks!
 

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Around here, Kubota branded jars are Interstate.
 

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12.5v is definitely not enough voltage. Any chance you have a clamp on ammeter? Any chance the belt is slipping?
 

dmoore

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I know 12.5 is not enough but it was steadily climbing while I was checking it so the alternator is putting out..the battery just isn't accepting it..no amp meter and belt is tight. I realize you never get the same longevity out of the 2nd battery in anything but Im thinking 4 years isn't great...maybe I'm asking for too much?? Ha!
 
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Interstates are not what they once were. I started to buy the Rural King batteries. They are at a good price and the warrant is good. If you want interstate go to Costco as they do not even check the battery. If you say it is no good they replace it with a new one. No questions asked.
 

dmoore

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Guess I'll ask my dealer who makes their batteries tomorrow
 

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I know 12.5 is not enough but it was steadily climbing while I was checking it so the alternator is putting out..the battery just isn't accepting it..no amp meter and belt is tight. I realize you never get the same longevity out of the 2nd battery in anything but Im thinking 4 years isn't great...maybe I'm asking for too much?? Ha!
New or old battery... there's a reason for the voltage to be that low. Where is the voltage with the throttle up after a few minutes? Should be 13.8-14.2. Turn the engine off, is the pulley hot? If so it's slipping.
An alternator could still charge with one bad diode... just not enough.
No argument on the OE Asian engineered batteries... that's why I buy Yuasa batteries for my motorcycles. Even though they're one of the few things made here in Reading, PA and shipped by container to Japan, quality is second to none. Harley even uses them. They used to make automotive batteries but dropped the line. No idea who made Kubota batteries 10 or 15 years ago.
 
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So the original battery in my 2006 B7800 lasted 10 years...4 years ago I installed an Interstate which I consider to be one of the best batteries period. Yesterday I went to start the tractor and nothing but clicking. Jumped it off and started right up. After mowing 5 acres I shut it off and it would only click. Jumped it again and checked the battery voltage with meter...alternator slowly charging battery..watched it come up to 12.5v. I believe the alternator is charging and the battery is just not accepting. My question is have you guys replaced your original battery with a Kubota battery and how long did that 2nd original battery last? Thanks!
In all likelihood a B7800 has a dynamo especially if your tractor does not have a cab with heater and/or AC.

The dynamo's can be easily checked with a multi meter. Disconnect the two output leads and, with the engine running at high rpm's, measure the AC voltage between the two output wires. It should be over 30 volts AC.

The dynamo is very simple and failure is rare.

The rectifier can easily be damaged during battery boosting and is the likely cause of your low charging voltage not your Interstate battery.

Does your tractor have a charge warning light on the dash?

Dave
 

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Gee Dave
that diagram is confusing....
it clearly shows + and - AND the AC symbol ( ~ ) under the V......
make me wonder just WHAT type of power the dynamo does generate ?

also for the 'test', it only talks about voltage NOT about current.....
 

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Gee Dave
that diagram is confusing....
it clearly shows + and - AND the AC symbol ( ~ ) under the V......
make me wonder just WHAT type of power the dynamo does generate ?

also for the 'test', it only talks about voltage NOT about current.....
Both alternators and dynamos produce AC voltage. Diodes / rectifiers are built into alternators to convert to DC. Quick diode check for an alternator is to check for stray AC voltage at the B+ terminal. Dynamos have separate diodes / rectifiers built into the regulator. Don't know what the WSM says but I'd check system amperage after the diodes.
 
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Gee Dave
that diagram is confusing....
it clearly shows + and - AND the AC symbol ( ~ ) under the V......
make me wonder just WHAT type of power the dynamo does generate ?

also for the 'test', it only talks about voltage NOT about current.....
Think of the dynamo as the generator rubbing against the bicycle tire when you were a kid. A magnet rotating around a coils of wire.... it produces Alternating Current. To generate Direct Current you need to involve a commutator which greatly complicates the device because brushes are involved and there are parts which wear out.

The illustration from the KUBOTA WSM can be misinterpreted but only because the writers were trying to make it simple. Like Ikea instructions. All multimeters will have red and black leads and most the + and - symbols to correspond.

Red and Black regardless if you are measuring AC or DC voltage, AC or DC current and then there are resistance and capacitance and frequency measurements all done with Red and Black leads. The illustration is just trying to show where the red and black leads go so that the tester is not confused.

For the purpose of testing the dynamo, it does not matter about its current output. If it will produce AC voltage in the right range it will drive current if a path for the current is provided.

If it cannot produce AC voltage in the specified range, it will not drive any current.

Doing the simple dynamo test early on in the diagnostic process can tell a lot about what needs to be fixed.

Note that in real life and on wiring diagrams for 2 and 3 wire dynamos, all the output leads are the same color because, with AC, it makes no difference in its operation. It is not like AC house wiring where there is a Hot wire and a neutral wire.

Dave
 

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Ok I just learned it's called a dynomo not an alternator! Good info Dave, I will check output tomorrow with my Fluke...Also I did notice 2 of the battery cells were low on water,(plates exposed) this alone could be my issue..topped them off and plugged in the battery tender. I'm not sure if I can save it or not or if the Battery Tender can bring it back up from it's depleted state. If not I can jump it with jump pack then measure that AC voltage from Dynomo. Thanks guys for your input, Let you know what I find!
 

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This could be as simple as cleaning the neg battery cable where it attaches to the frame. A bad ground will cause a multitude of problems
 

dmoore

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You are correct about bad ground however I found out the battery was shorted. Installed new battery from Tractor Supply earlier and fired right up. They are labeled Traveler but are built by Interstate. Let's see how long this one last. Thanks for all the input! Especially good to learn I have a Dynomo not an alternator!