Battery charge light after alternator belt replacement

MobBay58

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I have a 2014 M8560 cab model. Threw the alternator belt. Replaced the belt. Ran it the first time and the battery charge indicator light came on at 2000 rpm. Thinking the belt was slipping and that was the take from service manager at dealer. Got some help and tightened up the belt till there is basically no room left to tighten on adjustment. Ran it up to 2400 rpm, no problem initially but then charge indicator light comes on again after a few minutes. Back it down to 2000 and it goes off. Put a multimeter on it at battery and it shows between 12 and 13 volts when running. Verified I had the right belt, got it from Kubota dealer. I'm out of answers and things to check. Any ideas out there?
Thanks
 

Orangeglow

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Sounds like the belt is still slipping. Get a shorter belt, and leave yourself some room on the tensioner, so you don,t run out of adjustment.
 

MobBay58

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Sounds like the belt is still slipping. Get a shorter belt, and leave yourself some room on the tensioner, so you don,t run out of adjustment.
Might have to go that route. What I don't get is it doesn't appear to be slipping at all and when I check the play in the belt it's well within what the service manual calls for. It is TIGHT.
 

Jim L.

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Too tight and the bearings will be damaged.

Might try a spray can of belt dressing if it is slipping.
 

lugbolt

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If it's the correct belt, you should have plenty of adjustment. "correct" belt meaning not mispackaged, and for the correct model and serial number for your tractor (if there is any serial number break and IF there's any differences between the 8560 cabin, Narrow, and ROPS models).

Shorter belt is simply a "band-aid". Might work-for a while-until the root problem shows it's ugly head, which normally happens at the worst possible time,..out in a field a few miles from any road, the hottest or coldest day of the year (usually the hottest in this area, contributing to overheat and/or engine failure).

I question why the alternator belt was "thrown" to begin with. Rare, outside of debris and rodent intervention-and I think there may be more to this issue, potentially also causing the "slippage" issue. Check your water pump. Have seen a few -40 series tractors with failing water pumps, causes the pulley to be "cocked", contributing to belt wear and/or failure. We've got a few of them running around with 6000+ hours last time I saw them, and they've still got original belts on them. Original everything actually other than fluids and filters-and on one of them, a/c evaporator, condenser, hoses, and compressor.

Also look into the alternator itself, make sure it turns freely. Another rare failure point but it can happen. Tight? Bearings and/or debris inside of it.

Fought with an MX5100 for the past 2-3 weeks...owner says it kept "eating" fan belts. Has put 13 belts on it since new, has 245 hours on it and was sold in 2013 January. I get tractor, inspect, find nothing wrong. Test run engine about 9 hours, nary a problem. Guy gets it back, sits overnight, gets on it next morning to feed the cows, eats a belt. Bring it back. Repeat. Talk about frustrating, both to owner and tech. So I had an idea. I threw another belt on it and left some well hidden rodent bait under the hood. Told him come get it. He picks it up, drives it home, calls me next morning and says he's found dead rats. I tell him don't move anything let me come to your barn and inspect. NO lights in the barn (of course), dark as could be, found gnaw marks on the belt and upper radiator hose, but NO gnawing on the wiring, thank goodness. He would never have believed me otherwise especially considering that he's also got a larger JD and a small MF and nothing on them was touched. Maybe the little rodents just think that orange tractor parts taste better, I don't know. They're funny like that.

I gave him a couple of my barn cats and some food, maybe they'll keep the rodents run off.
 

MobBay58

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I’m 100% confident it’s the right belt. Got it from a Kubota dealer where I bought tractor and verified it was the right belt with Kubota dealer where I live. I wasn’t operating tractor when it threw the belt. When I raised hood belt was completely off and flat side was separated from v side on part of belt. I had plenty of room for adjustment when I initially put it on but have tightened it further because of this issue. This particular belt runs around alternator and AC compressor. There’s a second belt off main drive pulley that runs fan and water pump. My feeling right now is some kind of alternator issue but if that was case why would I be getting multimeter voltage reading that I am at battery when tractor is running? Appreciate the input, it’s a head scratcher for me.
 

Dave_eng

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I’m 100% confident it’s the right belt. Got it from a Kubota dealer where I bought tractor and verified it was the right belt with Kubota dealer where I live. I wasn’t operating tractor when it threw the belt. When I raised hood belt was completely off and flat side was separated from v side on part of belt. I had plenty of room for adjustment when I initially put it on but have tightened it further because of this issue. This particular belt runs around alternator and AC compressor. There’s a second belt off main drive pulley that runs fan and water pump. My feeling right now is some kind of alternator issue but if that was case why would I be getting multimeter voltage reading that I am at battery when tractor is running? Appreciate the input, it’s a head scratcher for me.
The modern alternators do not fail completely in one instant but rather their output degrades over time as internal electronic components fail.

Take the alternator to an independent shop and they can repair quickly. Kubota does not make their own alternators but buys them from companies like DENSO aka Nippondenso.

If you want to do more yourself, follow this Denso trouble shooting guide assuming you have a multimeter and know how to use it.

http://densoautoparts.com/Portals/D...ENSO charging system troubleshooting tips.pdf

Dave
 

MobBay58

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The modern alternators do not fail completely in one instant but rather their output degrades over time as internal electronic components fail.

Take the alternator to an independent shop and they can repair quickly. Kubota does not make their own alternators but buys them from companies like DENSO aka Nippondenso.

If you want to do more yourself, follow this Denso trouble shooting guide assuming you have a multimeter and know how to use it.

http://densoautoparts.com/Portals/D...ENSO charging system troubleshooting tips.pdf

Dave
Thanks Dave. Sounds like the next step.