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I finally left the compound today for supplies and to get out. Over in New Hampshire I saw at a Fisher Plow dealership Orange up ahead. I thought oh a new Koiti dealership.
Nope when I got there.
Bad Boy Tractors. I didn't even know they made anything but zero turn mowers.
Lots and lots of Tractors there.
Some bigger 30 or 40 hp I'd guess. Full cab and no cab.
Any idea if thoses are made here or overseas?
Brand of engine ?
 

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Yanmar engines

Chinese made.

There is a bunch of bad reviews on these tractors.
 
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Built in the US by Kukje. They look pretty good, but they are having some issues. I wouldn't buy one.
 
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yeah that was a venture between bad boy mowers and Kukje machinery of China. Kukje also makes other brands too, TYM, Branson, a few others (I think). Draw your own conclusions.

The folks at Bad Boy are known for being go-getters but sometimes it gets them into trouble. Remember when they got into the side-by-side UTV market? Those were an absolute JOKE at best. I knew the lead designer aka enginerd. Real smart, but copied a lot of designs from other manufacturers of the time, which were terrible designs from the get-go, so they copied defective equipment. Later on they got themselves into a legal pickle and had to split the whole SxS line off to another brand (Intimidator) which is also a flop. I wanna say Mahindra had their hands in that deal but I could be wrong.

In about 2011 I went into the factory at Batesville and met a lot of the guys who work there, mostly upper management-but later on got to meet in person with the CEO and CFO in different circumstances of which I'll not go into at this time. My wife grew up with the marketing director and several others, so we kinda all know each other. They're all good people. The "ideas" come from higher ups. Anyway while I was there I toyed with the idea of working there, I liked the folks, I liked the business model, the atmosphere, and most of all the people and the area. Fits my personality. So I got to asking people I knew about employment. A couple years went by, I guess they blew it off, so I reminded one of the guys in the office that I was still interested. He said come on up I wanna talk to you in person, so I made the trip (GF at the time was living a couple miles from the factory so I made a weekend out of it). Interview went awesome. He and I hit it off talking about customer interactions and how to deal with situations, we both understood each other quite well. The deal breaker? I was on board, would have had to move (I don't own much so that part was easy), BUT he said I'd have to start off sweeping floors, you basically start at the bottom and work your way up. I'm not saying I'm too good for that because I ain't, but I'm not moving 100 miles away to work for $10 and hour when I'm already making $20. We could not come to any kind of compromise, and the financial situation was such that I could NOT move for that salary, so I stayed where I was at. Nothing against Hurst, or anyone else there, all good people. I just couldn't do it; but sure wanted to. Love the area, real laid back, more country than it is here (it is getting more city-fied here), GF's parents lived up there, now in laws, although all but her dad have since passed away. Hurst knew I couldn't work for that, but his hands were tied by upper management, they have a set way of doing things and there is no deviation from that. Typical corporate jobs if you ask me.

When they had the SxS stuff (under the bad boy name) they had a man working at that factory (which was in Melbourne, AR in the old Boeing factory at that time) that was TOP NOTCH. I'd have a question about something especially on the electric units and he had an answer every single time. Very, very good with people. We also understood each other quite well, he growed up in the area and you knew it, but he was also engineering-level intelligent, so he referred to himself as a bit of a "high tech redneck" at times during training. Super good guy, miss talking to him when I needed guidance. Last name Watts. Ironic that the guy who had all the knowledge of the electric vehicles at that time, named watts. There was another guy who worked there, the actual engineer who worked with the EV side (not the ICE side), can't remember his name but he was from off. I miss the days when I could call the people who knew what was going on; nowadays you call tech support, you might get an actual human, and chances are good that it'll be in Indonesia or wherever else....

Since then Hurst has some ownership of the company when Foster split off and took over Intimidator group which has been bought out by Toro in I think 2018(?).

Went out there the other day to visit FIL, which means I have to drive past the airport, and noticed that Bad Boy now has an aviation company...bad boy aviation, and they've got a really nice plane to fly around the world in. You can't miss it, it's panted up and looks almost like the trucks do, big company logo on the side. Im not an aviation expert so I can't tell you want kind of jet it is, but know it's big, 3 engine. Maybe falcon 50? Dunno but I'm sure it's not cheap!! While in the area I drove out to where Mark Martin's place was. Beautiful home overlooking the White River. Of course he doesn't live there no more. But his name is plastered all over the Ford dealer and a Powersports dealer, and then at Melbourne another dealer and yet another one I think in Ash Flat. My boss is part owner of the ones at Melbourne and Ash Flat.
 
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Bad Boy rebadges TYM machines, made in South Korea.

At the time this video was made, they were made by Branson, but they have since been acquired by TYM/Kukje.


More history on the merger/buyup:
 
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curious, several say they have 'issues' and 'bad' reviews but what specifically is wrong with them ?
From what I've heard Yanmar are pretty good engines......
 

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curious, several say they have 'issues' and 'bad' reviews but what specifically is wrong with them ?
From what I've heard Yanmar are pretty good engines......
Its not the engine that's the issue.

It seems that two issues are consistent with the reviews.

Horrible communication and support from the dealer. (I had this issue with the local kubota dealer and why I own a Massey Furgerson tractor)

And cheap thin metal used on attachments and the machine.

One gentleman reported having his backhoe snap on half after two years of light use and regretted buying the machine.
 

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Its not the engine that's the issue.

It seems that two issues are consistent with the reviews.

Horrible communication and support from the dealer. (I had this issue with the local kubota dealer and why I own a Massey Furgerson tractor)

And cheap thin metal used on attachments and the machine.

One gentleman reported having his backhoe snap on half after two years of light use and regretted buying the machine.
I've seen some reports/photos of the dipper tube on the backhoe tearing.

I had a Bad Boy zero turn, which was a great machine mechanically. However, I was not impressed with the powdercoating. At every sharp angle and hole, the finish was peeling off. I took exceptional care of mine, including storing it inside my barn. It never sat out in the weather, and I didn't mow wet grass with it.
I sold it because I had stopped mowing a recreation area for my church (the reason that I bought it). I took the money from it and bought a Steiner.
 
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I've seen some reports/photos of the dipper tube on the backhoe tearing.

I had a Bad Boy zero turn, which was a great machine mechanically. However, I was not impressed with the powdercoating. At every sharp angle and hole, the finish was peeling off.
I have been through the powder coat and fab area and pointed that out to the folks working there, that they were going to have coating adhesion issues with their way of doing it. It boils down to manufacturing; the lasers COULD cut the corners a little differently but it also caused problems with the welders further down the production line, which caused a cost to manufacture increase. There were a few other big issues that were rampant, and rather than fix them (some fixes were dirt simple), they chose to make a few thousand more mowers exactly the same way and deal with the warranty claims as they came, and there were quite a few. I think all manufacturing is like that but I'm not sure to that extent. One issue, the steel idler pulleys. Had a bad run of them, they bought them from a place in Nebraska, and probably bought 50,000 of them. The failure rate on that run was high. But to save costs, they kept using them up and selling (and warranty-ing) new ones until the stock was depleted, then changed the pulleys (maybe different vendor?? I dunno). Downside? People lost confidence in the equipment, dealer, and with Bad Boy. Brake cables on the MZ's. MZ deck hangers breaking (HAZ issues from welding processes). Wiring harnesses, I bet I put 100 harnesses on the ZT-60's the second year we started handling them. They've gotten a lot better over the years, though. But, not quite kubota good. And certainly not very good on the side-by-side UTV's (indimidator).

EDIT: I wanted to add, that they have an entirely new paint faciilty; whereas the original was part of the fab shop. So they had welding and powder coating going on in the same building.

next time I am through the area, I'll stop an take a picture of the storage facility that they keep the Bad Boy tractors. You can view it on google maps, 2850 Harrison St Batesville, arkansas. That's only one place they store them, there are a few. Apparently they plan on selling a couple tractors....I also know that kubota reps told the dealers that they should not sell both brands.
 
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I have been through the powder coat and fab area and pointed that out to the folks working there, that they were going to have coating adhesion issues with their way of doing it. It boils down to manufacturing; the lasers COULD cut the corners a little differently but it also caused problems with the welders further down the production line, which caused a cost to manufacture increase. There were a few other big issues that were rampant, and rather than fix them (some fixes were dirt simple), they chose to make a few thousand more mowers exactly the same way and deal with the warranty claims as they came, and there were quite a few. I think all manufacturing is like that but I'm not sure to that extent. One issue, the steel idler pulleys. Had a bad run of them, they bought them from a place in Nebraska, and probably bought 50,000 of them. The failure rate on that run was high. But to save costs, they kept using them up and selling (and warranty-ing) new ones until the stock was depleted, then changed the pulleys (maybe different vendor?? I dunno). Downside? People lost confidence in the equipment, dealer, and with Bad Boy. Brake cables on the MZ's. MZ deck hangers breaking (HAZ issues from welding processes). Wiring harnesses, I bet I put 100 harnesses on the ZT-60's the second year we started handling them. They've gotten a lot better over the years, though. But, not quite kubota good. And certainly not very good on the side-by-side UTV's (indimidator).

EDIT: I wanted to add, that they have an entirely new paint faciilty; whereas the original was part of the fab shop. So they had welding and powder coating going on in the same building.

next time I am through the area, I'll stop an take a picture of the storage facility that they keep the Bad Boy tractors. You can view it on google maps, 2850 Harrison St Batesville, arkansas. That's only one place they store them, there are a few. Apparently they plan on selling a couple tractors....I also know that kubota reps told the dealers that they should not sell both brands.
Ironically, Kubota orange paint was a great match for touching up spots on my Bad Boy ZT.
 

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Ironically, Kubota orange paint was a great match for touching up spots on my Bad Boy ZT.
that's because it's identical. Kubota was at one point gonna go after Bad Boy for use of the color, which was protected by trademark as I remember. I don't know what ever happened with that. One of many suits Bad Boy was involved with.