Back dragging ? with front wheels in air on BX23S

[Mr Winichester]

If you keep the front bucket at an angle of no greater that 45 degrees. Is it OK to lift the front wheels off the ground with the loader arms and back drag if you want to put more pressure on the ground. Or will this possibly damage your hydraulics?

Thanks

 

[85Hokie]

If you keep the front bucket at an angle of no greater that 45 degrees. Is it OK to lift the front wheels off the ground with the loader arms and back drag if you want to put more pressure on the ground. Or will this possibly damage your hydraulics?

Thanks

It is done all the time! Even a flat bucket, or bucket 5 degrees works well - depends if you have a toothbar or not. Ever try float function?

Front wheels off the ground leads to zero turns.....there is a fine line where FEL is doing work and front wheels still steer!

 

[Dave_eng]

If you keep the front bucket at an angle of no greater that 45 degrees. Is it OK to lift the front wheels off the ground with the loader arms and back drag if you want to put more pressure on the ground. Or will this possibly damage your hydraulics?

Thanks

No problem backing up the way you want .

You can get into trouble going forward with the bucket tipped forward if your loader can tilt the bucket back until the bucket is like a trough. The levers which give the extra range of motion to the bucket can apply extra force and break things.

Dave

 

[Mr Winichester]

Thanks for those replies,

I googled back dragging and I thought I saw some posts on how this technique puts revers force on the FEL hydraulics and there was a problem maybe with bending cylinders and or putting to much revers presure on the system.

So I just want to get opinions on this type of use on a BX23S

I am new to tractors, and I don't have a scraper or a blade for my three point hitch yet and I an just starting to work some areas of land that was cleared of small brush.

I find that now with out a proper implement to do grading ( that I will get, when I figure out what to get) That the back dragging with the wheels up seems to be the only technique to scrape the ground with some force. But I would avoid it if It is stressing out my FEL.

Yes I have a Phirana bar on the way, I am experimenting with the float position to push light material along the ground to gather it up into piles.

I really need a grading implement for the back. If you were to get only one what type would it be?

Thanks

 

[Lil Foot]

There have been several reported incidents of ripping the threads off the end of the curl ram, or breaking it, or in at least one case, shattering the piston. This style FEL has only one curl ram, instead of the two most loaders have, therefore all of the force from back dragging is placed on one ram, instead of being shared by two.
In most cases I have heard of, the bucket encountered deep seated rocks, tree roots, or stumps. I think if you use common sense & are just spreading material, or grading soft ground without the aforementioned obstacles, you will be fine.
Just be aware of the possibility of damage.

 

[Mr Winichester]

Thanks Bill,

So it sounds like the hydraulic cylinder that controls the bucket curl can withstand force in the opposite direction. for example if you just lift the front wheels off the ground in a stooped position?

I think in that case you have all the weight of the front of the tractor on that cylinder but in the opposite direction that the hydraulic force is usually applied when curling the bucket?

But you are saying that in addition to all that force of just being raised up you then hit something with the back of the bucket, you are applying an even greater shock load of all the weight of momentum of the tractor in motion ?

I,m just trying to get a good sense of the mechanical picture and most off all understand the forces that the hydraulic cylinder can with stand.


Thanks

 

[Lil Foot]

Just lifting the front wheels is a pretty gradual load, but slamming into something while back dragging is a higher shock load. So the faster you go and the higher you lift the front wheels both increase that shock load.

Found some threads:
http://www.orangetractortalks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32892
http://www.orangetractortalks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32363
http://www.orangetractortalks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29801&highlight=curl

 

[D2Cat]

If you have you bucket turned down and back drag is not a problem. What is not recommended to to turn the bucket down and roll the cutting edge back towards the front wheels past the perpendicular position.

In other words, if you looked at the side of your machine the cutting edge should not be turned back past straight up and down with down pressure and back drag.

 

[dirtydeed]

If you have you bucket turned down and back drag is not a problem. What is not recommended to to turn the bucket down and roll the cutting edge back towards the front wheels past the perpendicular position.

In other words, if you looked at the side of your machine the cutting edge should not be turned back past straight up and down with down pressure and back drag.

X2 on that. You see it all the time being done on youtube. Not a good idea at all.

 

[armylifer]

Thanks for those replies,

I googled back dragging and I thought I saw some posts on how this technique puts revers force on the FEL hydraulics and there was a problem maybe with bending cylinders and or putting to much revers presure on the system.

So I just want to get opinions on this type of use on a BX23S

I am new to tractors, and I don't have a scraper or a blade for my three point hitch yet and I an just starting to work some areas of land that was cleared of small brush.

I find that now with out a proper implement to do grading ( that I will get, when I figure out what to get) That the back dragging with the wheels up seems to be the only technique to scrape the ground with some force. But I would avoid it if It is stressing out my FEL.

Yes I have a Phirana bar on the way, I am experimenting with the float position to push light material along the ground to gather it up into piles.

I really need a grading implement for the back. If you were to get only one what type would it be?

Thanks

Since you mention that you have a piranha bar on the way I thought that I would address it a little. If you back drag with the bottom edge of the piranha bar perpendicular to the ground, the back of the bottom edge of the blade will do an excellent job of spreading and smoothing gravel or dirt. I use it to smooth out my gravel driveway all the time. Since I started using the back edge of the piranha blade to smooth the driveway, I have not had to use my box blade at all. The piranha tooth bar really does that good a job.

 

[bxray]

A box blade has been my goto for grading.
Cuts the highs and fills the lows.


Ray