B8200 battery not charging. Ideas?

Slickmullet99

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Used my B8200 for most of the day about a week ago. Turned it off to take off on implement and when I went to crank, no luck. Jumped the tractor with my truck and it started right up. The next day ran it for about 4 hours. Turned it off. Tried to start and it would not start. Charged battery and it fired right up. I am seeing a battery light indication as well.

Ideas? Dynamo? Regulator?
 

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Rarely is it the dynamo.

The dash light is telling you the system is not charging hence the dead battery.

Forum member lugbolt posted his personal charging system diagnosis procedure which is very comprehensive and I will add it to my post:

the books are jinglish, and IMO hard to follow.

thus I have my own tests

the regulator/rectifier has 6 wires. 2 are the same color, they end up at the dynamo. AC. One is a black ground wire. You will also have a +12v from the slow-blow fuse, and a +12v ignition (key on) and then a wire that runs to a charge lamp (if applicable, but it'll still have that wire).

Typically loss of charging performance is fairly easy to diagnose if you have the know-how, and a digital volt-ohm meter that has any quality whatsoever. A $10 one isn't that, just something else to throw into file 13 when it reads wrong.

The two dynamo wires (usually sky blue) are AC voltage, as said. Start engine, disconnect regulator and test ac output at the regulator connector, between the two dynamo wires. Should be 24V+ and I like to see more than 45 or so at full throttle. If it charges anything it's probably ok, they are a foolproof and extremely simple design that rarely fails outside of seized bearings. OK? Move on. Check your ground at the reg connector. One probe of the DVOM (set to ohms) on the ground pin in the connector and the other pin on a good ground, frame, transmission, etc. Must be clean. If you have more than a few ohms of resistance, your ground or harness is suspect

onward. Find your wire that comes from the battery. Backprobe the regulator connector. Now put your DVOM on DC volts. One probe goes to your connector, the other goes to the battery +. Should be under 500mv, or 0.500v. Ok? Move on. More than 0.5v? You have either a harness problem or a bad connection at the fuse, or whatever.

Last wire that will affect charging is what I call the "trigger" wire...it turns the reguator "on" so to speak, via the key switch. That one gets 12v when the key is on. Same as the last test, backprobe the connector with the key on. One probe of the DVOM in the connector and the other to the + battery terminal (use the post not the cable). You want to see less than 0.5v on the meter. If you see more than that, harness, fuse block, keyswitch, etc. Follow your wiring diagram. If you do see less than 0.5v, that circuit is not suspect, and there's a possibity you have a bad regulator.

Ideally you want to test everything AROUND the regulator because testing the reg itself isn't always conclusive. Thus, once you know you have AC voltage from the dynamo, you have good ground, you have +12v from the batt and ignition switch, the only component left is the reg. Process of elimination.

Electrical diag is not all that hard or it can be. It's all what you make of it. Don't put too much thought into it because it'll bite you. It's simple for the most part

speaking of being bit, be careful around the dynamo wires when testing. There's a little bit of voltage there and it's ac voltage, so it can bite you.


If you have questions arising from trying to use the above do not hesitate to ask.

Dave
 

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So I’m not seeing any wiring coming off the battery at all except the main positive and negative. I know when I bought it from the guy he kept it on a battery charger. So does the regulator connect to the battery? Basically dynamo, regulator, battery? Does it hurt anything to just keep the battery manually charged like he was doing?
 

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There will not be any obvious connection to the battery from the regulator. The regulator is more directly connected to the alternator.

I would definitely recommend that you replace the positive cable since that in there can cause more trouble than it helps.

There is no difficulty using a smart charger like a Battery Minder. Don’t leave a small amp charger unless it has the ability to monitor the battery, some chargers are also minders now so it can get a bit confusing.

I know that Battery Minder sell a battery connector that has a plug on the end that the charger connects to so it is easy to plug and unplug when needed.
 

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So I’m not seeing any wiring coming off the battery at all except the main positive and negative. I know when I bought it from the guy he kept it on a battery charger. So does the regulator connect to the battery? Basically dynamo, regulator, battery? Does it hurt anything to just keep the battery manually charged like he was doing?
Your replacement end on the positive battery cable is a solution to be avoided.

A new positve cable is needed. Also replace the negative cable if it has the same battery end for its cable.

The charging connection to the battery will from the regulator to the battery cable terminal on the starter solenoid. A fusible link or slow blow fuse will be located there as well.

Failing to fix the charging system is short sighted,. A cheap charger can over charge the battery leading to a shorter life and failure

Dave
 

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Your replacement end on the positive battery cable is a solution to be avoided.

A new positve cable is needed. Also replace the negative cable if it has the same battery end for its cable.

The charging connection to the battery will from the regulator to the battery cable terminal on the starter solenoid. A fusible link or slow blow fuse will be located there as well.

Failing to fix the charging system is short sighted,. A cheap charger can over charge the battery leading to a shorter life and failure

Dave
Ok. So replace the negative and positive cable and start troubleshooting from there?
 

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There are 2 regulators showing. A H1550-64600 and also a 70000-65398. Can anyone explain this?
If there are two shown there is probably a serial number break. In other words below a serial number they used part A, above a serial number they used part B.
There will be some indication of the serial numbers beside the part numbers
 

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If there are two shown there is probably a serial number break. In other words below a serial number they used part A, above a serial number they used part B.
There will be some indication of the serial numbers beside the part numbers
I don’t think that is the case. I think it is 2 separate regulators with different purposes. They are both on the diagram.
 

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If I were you, I'd purchase a new battery terminal and take that cable loose and tin it with rosin core solder to make it solid (you may have to cut off the oxidized end to expose new copper strands.) You have a resistance connection with the oxidized stranded cable as it stands in the picture. Do the same with the negative cable if it's in that condition as well.
 

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I don’t think that is the case. I think it is 2 separate regulators with different purposes. They are both on the diagram.
It only uses one or the other, your tractor does not have two regulators. Look at yours and see whether it has a plug with six wires in it or if each wire plugs in separately to determine the correct one.

Yes, you can get aftermarket battery cables and replace yours. It is foolish to try cobbling old battery cables that probably have too high of resistance any way.
 

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There are 2 regulators showing. A H1550-64600 and also a 70000-65398. Can anyone explain this?
The regulator with the aluminum fins is for a dynamo based charging system,.

The other style regulator, looks like a black box, is for the tractor equipped with the optional alternator.
The regulator is a mechanical style thing with contact points and coils. Not particularly reliable.

Dave
 

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The regulator with the aluminum fins is for a dynamo based charging system,.

The other style regulator, looks like a black box, is for the tractor equipped with the optional alternator.
The regulator is a mechanical style thing with contact points and coils. Not particularly reliable.

Dave
Mine had the regulator with the fins. Easy replacement once steering wheel was removed.

Does anyone know what the 10A and 15A in-line fuse is for?
 

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Does anyone know what the 10A and 15A in-line fuse is for?
The 10A fuse should be for your hazard light system. The 15A for the regulator circuit, fuel gauge, oil pressure light, taillights, headlights, horn, and working light.
 

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When the key is in the on position with engine not cranked yet, should the oil pressure and charge light be on? I know they both are off when the engine is running without issue.
Yep, they should both be on when the key is in the run position, but the engine not yet started. They should both go off when the engine is running.