B2601 Piranha Bar mounting

[racerboy]

My Piranah bar arrived last week and the directions are pretty straightforward except my bucket has a bolt-on flat edge. Do I remove that when mounting the tooth bar, or mount over it? On the photos on the BXattachment site, it looks like there is no bolt-on flat edge, but it also looks like the bucket doesn’t have any holes in it either, so is it possible that not all buckets have this edge? I assumed it was there as a replaceable item to save the bucket edge. My tractor is brand new and that blade has already taken a beating! Here are some mock-up photos that show the tooth bar with the blade and without.

With bolt-on flat edge:

Without bolt-on flat edge:

 

[racerboy]

Apologies for the double photos.
I just spoke to the people at HardParts and they said my bar was designed to be used with or without the bolt-on flat edge.

so it seems like there is no right or wrong answer. I like the ide of leaving the bolt-on edge on the bucket because it will make things easier when I want to remove the tooth-bar and not have to reinstall it, but it seems to me the tooth bar would be stronger if I mounted it directly. Am I over thinking this?

 

[Bmyers]

Interesting. As you noted, it appears to work either way. I don't know why one way would be better than the other.

The only disadvantage I can think of, which is very minimal at best, is you have the weight of two bars cutting into your overall loader capacity. Yet, that is so small, I personally wouldn't worry about it.

Curious to see which way you decide.

 

[racerboy]

I went with leaving the bolt-on edge. Installation went as planned. Only thing I would do is get longer bolts. It came with 1 1/4 in. 3/4” bolts, but I had to use C-clamps in order to get the lock washers on. I plan on replacing them with 1 1/2 in. long bolts.

Am going to use the bar before the rains come later. Will report back on how well it went.

 

[Bmyers]

Looks nice.

 

[jkrubi12]

Looks like the Piranha does not utilize the 7 bolt holes used to attach the Kubota bolt-on cutting edge.

Mounting with the existing cutting edge results in slightly longer bucket length, making unintentional contact with bucket & other items more likely but I'd try that first.

Edit: looks good!

 

[85Hokie]

Only downside of leaving replaceable edge on and bolting to that is weight. - however, an advantage is that from the seat - you can see the teeth longer when trying to level out a dig.

 

[JimmyJazz]

I have the same tractor and bar. It makes a big difference in digging performance . Good job.

 

[OrangeKrush]

Adds a little more volume to bucket!

 

[NorthWest Orange]

My Piranah bar arrived last week and the directions are pretty straightforward except my bucket has a bolt-on flat edge. Do I remove that when mounting the tooth bar, or mount over it? On the photos on the BXattachment site, it looks like there is no bolt-on flat edge, but it also looks like the bucket doesn’t have any holes in it either, so is it possible that not all buckets have this edge? I assumed it was there as a replaceable item to save the bucket edge. My tractor is brand new and that blade has already taken a beating! Here are some mock-up photos that show the tooth bar with the blade and without.

With bolt-on flat edge:
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Without bolt-on flat edge:
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[NorthWest Orange]

I would think leaving the bar on would help protect the integrity of that straight edge of the bucket when using the tooth bar in challenging conditions.

 

[Tim Horton]

Mounting with the existing cutting edge results in slightly longer bucket length, making unintentional contact with bucket & other items more likely but I'd try that first.
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Trust me..... There is some learning curve to using the piranha bar .....regardless of how it is set up..
I got mine to keep ware off the bucket edge while moving snow on our gravel drive.. With frost as much as 2 meters deep some years, gravel can be just as abrasive as concrete.. But until you learn bucket angle, you will dig gravel occasionally...

I don't have to do much digging very often, but the piranha bar makes it much easier..

 

[racerboy]

Definitely improves the ‘digging’ capability of the loader. I’m in the process of trying to reduce the steepness of a slope behind my garage and the tooth bar definitely has more bite.

In addition, I am looking to spread some of the dirt I remove so I am guessing I will have to remove the tooth bar to do any back dragging.

 

[OrangeKrush]

You won't have to remove it, once you get use to it.. back dragging will be as easy as without it.

 

[Steve67]

Like others have said it‘s a great attachment for many chores . The only time mine comes off is for snow plowing

 

[Quick]

I went with leaving the bolt-on edge. Installation went as planned. Only thing I would do is get longer bolts. It came with 1 1/4 in. 3/4” bolts, but I had to use C-clamps in order to get the lock washers on. I plan on replacing them with 1 1/2 in. long bolts.

Have the same setup without the bolt-on edge (have the holes for it though.) From the pics posted, looks like the piranha bar supports are riding on the bolt-on edge instead of the bucket. I don't know if that is an issue? Note: Also had to use C-clamps to make the supplied bolts work.

 

[Missouribound]

I have on on my B2320. When back dragging my driveway I get a much better result by taking it off.
But the Piranha is great for uprooting small trees and breaking into hardened soil.
Two bolts and 2 minutes on or off.....not a bad deal.

 

[bbxlr8]

Mine has been on for a year. I back-drag dirt a lot and gravel occasionally and have never felt the need to remove it yet... I vote for the extra volume also but I did not have a bolt one to have to make the choice myself.

For my soil (which is filled with various percentages of rock - ugh) it makes all the difference in the world even when loading previous spoils/worked material. With the straight edge, I could NEVER get a full bucket.

edit - as some have noted in previous threads, be careful how you rest it or walk around it - It will take out your Achilles!

 

[XSpecBx]

I had a piranha toothbar on my BX. I left the cutting edge on. Preferred having it on as it took the abuse so that the bucket didn’t have to. With my B2601, I went with the wicked toothbar which they said the cutting edge had to be removed. Either way, the toothbar should take most of the wear in lieu of the bucket/cutting edge, so I don’t think there is a wrong answer either way.

 

[mrmurph1965]

I just ordered my piranha for my L3901 today. What kind of lead time have you all experienced?