B219 FEL Control Valve

[ojaikubota]

I have a B7100 HST with a B219 FEL. The B219 FEL Control Valve has been "in the departure lounge" for years and is finally giving up the ghost. OEM valve is 70050-00072 superseded by 70050-00191 now discontinued. I've seen several threads about this but nobody confirming they have found and successfully installed an after-market generic valve such as Prince MB21GB5C1 https://www.surpluscenter.com/Hydra...rince-MB21GB5C1-DA-Valve-w-Float-9-7862-F.axd

If anyone has experience of non-OEM control valves on the B219 or any recommendations, would be deeply appreciated.

I don't see any rebuild kit info but would definitely give that a go.

Super thanks

ojaikubota

 

[TheOldHokie]

I have a B7100 HST with a B219 FEL. The B219 FEL Control Valve has been "in the departure lounge" for years and is finally giving up the ghost. OEM valve is 70050-00072 superseded by 70050-00191 now discontinued. I've seen several threads about this but nobody confirming they have found and successfully installed an after-market generic valve such as Prince MB21GB5C1 https://www.surpluscenter.com/Hydra...rince-MB21GB5C1-DA-Valve-w-Float-9-7862-F.axd

If anyone has experience of non-OEM control valves on the B219 or any recommendations, would be deeply appreciated.

I don't see any rebuild kit info but would definitely give that a go.

Super thanks

ojaikubota


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You have many many options for a replacement valve. Any small open center valve with power beyond will work fine. The Prince valve would be one of the more expensive choices. I went with this valve as a replacement for the valve on my B1630 loader. Its $80-$90 cheaper and in your case an upgrade to a joystick.

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Dan

 

[Lil Foot]

Thanks for the info!
Mine is still operating on all cylinders, (spools) but it can't last forever.

 

[torch]

I have the Brand mentioned above. Comes with the PB adapter where it looks like the Prince sells that separately. I like the single lever joystick -- can't bump the wrong lever by mistake -- but if you are used to double levers it might take a bit to develop the new muscle memory. Also, the joystick projects out from the body at 90° from the orientation of your levers. The Brand can be reconfigured so that "Up" is still "Up" no matter if the body is mounted so the ports are on the top, bottom, left or right however the joystick is still going to project straight out. If you need the sticks vertical, then you would have to fabricate a new mount and there would be some re-routing of hoses.

The Prince shown is closest to your OEM installation. The levers are easily configured at 90° or straight out. The ports are already on top (not sure if they are the same type and size, but adapters are readily available). The maximum flow rate is a touch less (8gpm vs 10gpm) so lowering speed might be a touch less touchy (do I get points for the most use of the word "touch" in a single sentence or am I about to be visited by the HR complaints department? <lol>). Looks like your B219 has an independent hydraulic system so I'm not sure what that pump is rated to deliver.

 

[TheOldHokie]

I have the Brand mentioned above. Comes with the PB adapter where it looks like the Prince sells that separately. I like the single lever joystick -- can't bump the wrong lever by mistake -- but if you are used to double levers it might take a bit to develop the new muscle memory. Also, the joystick projects out from the body at 90° from the orientation of your levers. The Brand can be reconfigured so that "Up" is still "Up" no matter if the body is mounted so the ports are on the top, bottom, left or right however the joystick is still going to project straight out. If you need the sticks vertical, then you would have to fabricate a new mount and there would be some re-routing of hoses.

The Prince shown is closest to your OEM installation. The levers are easily configured at 90° or straight out. The ports are already on top (not sure if they are the same type and size, but adapters are readily available). The maximum flow rate is a touch less (8gpm vs 10gpm) so lowering speed might be a touch less touchy (do I get points for the most use of the word "touch" in a single sentence or am I about to be visited by the HR complaints department? <lol>). Looks like your B219 has an independent hydraulic system so I'm not sure what that pump is rated to deliver.

If he has the independent hydraulic system and pump he won't need the power beyond port on the Brand valve unless he adds additional valves (e.g. third function). Just remove the sleeve and install a SAE plug.

The Prince MB valves do not use a sleeve for power beyond conversion. They use a 1/8 BSPP socket head plug (included) that is installed inside the port. Put it away for a rainy day. It will get lost and then you can buy the backup sold by SC.

Dan

 

[torch]

If he has the independent hydraulic system and pump he won't need the power beyond port on the Brand valve unless he adds additional valves (e.g. third function). Just remove the sleeve and install a SAE plug.

Yes, very true and I should have clarified that.

(My assumption of an independent pump is based on the photos. I think that is a fill cap on the top of the post and a return line from the bottom of the post. I assume the open orange hose goes to a separate pump. )

 

[TheOldHokie]

Yes, very true and I should have clarified that.

(My assumption of an independent pump is based on the photos. I think that is a fill cap on the top of the post and a return line from the bottom of the post. I assume the open orange hose goes to a separate pump. )

I suspect you are correct. I noticed the same things right after my first post.

Dan

 

[ojaikubota]

Thank you so much for your detailed replies. Very helpful. I've attached actual photos of the unit on my B7100 - the first one was a photo from the web. I'm thinking the Prince valve will be the best fit because of the vertical handles. The 3rd photo is what I assume to be the independent pump and therefore the need for the power beyond function? Will have to research that but please could you let me know if the pictures change anything or whether I will be good with the Prince? Many thanks!
Ojaikubota

 

[TheOldHokie]

Thank you so much for your detailed replies. Very helpful. I've attached actual photos of the unit on my B7100 - the first one was a photo from the web. I'm thinking the Prince valve will be the best fit because of the vertical handles. The 3rd photo is what I assume to be the independent pump and therefore the need for the power beyond function? Will have to research that but please could you let me know if the pictures change anything or whether I will be good with the Prince? Many thanks!
Ojaikubota

With the system as you have it you do not need a valve with power beyond. However I would suggest you purchase a valve that can be converted in the future if you add additional valves. The Prince and Brand valves are both convertible. The Prince valve will come configured for open cenyer operation and the conversion plug will he in the box. Yhe Brand valve will come configured for power beyond and you will need to remove the conversion sleeve and replace it with a plug.

My personal opinion is joystick loader control beats two handle control hands down. Either one of those valves will work with the mount you currently have. You will probably have to dril one or more new mounting holes. Current model loaders have the joystick valve in roughly the same position just angled upward slightly. You might want to bend the joystick handle to angle it up a bit if you go that route.

Here are a couple pictures to illustrate what I mean. The top one is an OEM joystick valve on a B7200 with B1630 loader that is very much like yours. The bottom one is the OEM joystick on my new L3901 and the single spool version of your MB valve mounted next to it for third function.

Dan

 

[torch]

Thank you so much for your detailed replies. Very helpful. I've attached actual photos of the unit on my B7100 - the first one was a photo from the web. I'm thinking the Prince valve will be the best fit because of the vertical handles. The 3rd photo is what I assume to be the independent pump and therefore the need for the power beyond function? Will have to research that but please could you let me know if the pictures change anything or whether I will be good with the Prince? Many thanks!
Ojaikubota

Yes, that shows an independent pump driven from the front of the crankshaft, so you will NOT need Power Beyond unless you later add additional hydraulic accessories (eg: grapple). Of course, if you are planning to add something like that, you could consider buying a 3 spool valve assembly now, and not have to worry about PB to a second control valve later. But if you are happy with what you have, then just that Prince is fine.

I can't tell from the pictures if the mounting holes will all line up -- you may need to fabricate some sort of new plate or drill new holes in the existing plate. Just don't drill into the post -- it is your fluid reservoir! I also can't tell for certain what the ports are. I could make an educated guess, but I won't. Simple enough to take a sample of each hose size into your local farm supply or hydraulic shop and tell them you need adapters from these hoses to SAE -8 ports.

 

[ojaikubota]

Many thanks for your comments. I have ordered the Brand joystick unit based on your comments!
Ojaikubota

 

[TheOldHokie]

Many thanks for your comments. I have ordered the Brand joystick unit based on your comments!
Ojaikubota

I think you will like it. Both valves are longer then your original and you will probably have to move them rearward for clearance on the loader post. Replace those rotten hoses while you are at it

Dan

 

[torch]

Yup, good choice. Not only is the single-lever joystick an nice modern touch, the Brand product listed above also features a regenerative (fast) dump position.

 

[ojaikubota]

Requesting the further benefit of your knowledge please? I got the Brand valve and now have to figure out how to connect the 1/4" NPT hoses to the SAE6 work ports. It seems my OEM Kubota spool valve has some kind of adapter at the valve end of the hoses and is a straight NPT connection at the other end. I can't get the adapters off the valve because I don't have a thin enough wrench and I'm not sure they would help anyway. My question is what are these adapters called (swivel?) that allow me to tighten the hose onto the valve without twisting the hose around? Can I get them from Surplus Center but I need to know what they are called first? SAE 6 Male to 1/4"NPT Female straight swivel adapter would be my guess? Super thanks in advance.
Ojai Kubota

 

[ojaikubota]

https://www.surpluscenter.com/Hydra...el-Straight-6900-06-04-Adapter-9-6900-6-4.axd ....maybe?

 

[torch]

https://www.surpluscenter.com/Hydra...el-Straight-6900-06-04-Adapter-9-6900-6-4.axd

^^^ Yup, that's the ones.

 

[TheOldHokie]

^^^ Yup, that's the ones.

The P, PB, and T ports are also going to need adapters. The side ports are all SAE-8. The top P and T ports are SAE-6. At a minimum he will need to remove the PB sleeve on the side and install an SAE-8 plug in that port. If he wants to use the side ports he will need SAE-8 adapters for them and SAE-6 plugs for the top ports.

Dan

 

[torch]

The P, PB, and T ports are also going to need adapters. The side ports are all SAE-8. The top P and T ports are SAE-6. At a minimum he will need to remove the PB sleeve on the side and install an SAE-8 plug in that port. If he wants to use the side ports he will need SAE-8 adapters for them and SAE-6 plugs for the top ports.

True. He may want 90° adapters if he uses the side ports (as shown in one of your pictures). Looks like clearances might be an issue if he uses straight adapters on the sides.

And new hoses. That thing desperately deserves new hoses!

 

[TheOldHokie]

True. He may want 90° adapters if he uses the side ports (as shown in one of your pictures). Looks like clearances might be an issue if he uses straight adapters on the sides.

And new hoses. That thing desperately deserves new hoses!

When i put new hoses on they almost invariably have JIC female swivel ends. My preference is JIC-6 on 3/8 and JIC-8 0N 1/2".

Dan

 

[ojaikubota]

Many thanks again, guys! Couple more questions.... I do need to use the side ports, so do I remove the PB sleeve (?) on the side port and just use a 90° swivel adapter SAE8 to the 3/8 NPT to the IN port ...because I don't have any power beyond items? 2nd question...the hoses. My Kubota dealer said they are discontinued and I need to go to a specialty shop to get hoses made. They are 16" and 20" 1/4 NPT for the work ports 1nd 52" 3/8NPT for the In Port - is there an online place to buy these or is it a specialty shop? Thanks!
ojaikubota