Aftermarket filters
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It's a scam! Stick it to the man! Stop doing oil and filter changes.
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Exactly—to the OP: around here we call that FAAFO—only thing negative on the FO part could be 1000s of $$. I’d rather not find out…
Yep years ago I did that and found out to the tune of a grenaded transmission. I'd run out of trans filters (my friend and I had a pretty much Mopar repair business years ago) and we kept a number of things in stock (all OEM BTW) one of them was trans filters. We'd used the last one, and I didn't realize it. At the time I'd already dropped the pan and tossed the filter. So in the other car to Advanced Auto Parts. Ended up with IIRC something called "Transmission King" filter. Looked OK I used it. Next day on our day trip along the Mississippi River Rd and up into Galena and Dubuque the filter material got sucked into the pump. Believe me IDK how that van made it home here but it came through. Next day I dropped the pan and that's when I saw the carnage. Pieces in there big enough to read the part numbers on
Yeah no more aftermarket crap for me. Learned that lesson!
In your comparison….I believe you did not provide anything more than “retail” prices…..not shipping, whiich with Messicks (who I acutally like)…. You must add shipping, while Amazon prime includes it.
Apples and Oranges.
The PROBLEM is “Quality” of construction. The Kubota filters, Regardless of COO…. Are Kubota Quality!
El-Cheapos… Regardless of COO…. Are Cheaply constructed and failure prone for that reason. The appearance of the outer-canister and the threaded base-plate may LOOK comparable… But wall-strength and internal support for the media… is CHEAP on the El Cheapo….. and SOUND on the Kubota.
SOME other brands are also very good. BALDWIN is a USA company (Parker-Hannifin) whose filters are MADE IN USA.
WIX is a US company….who has CHEAPENED their product-line and make them in Asia. They are no longer the quality product they once were.
Fleetguard is a US company …who makes them in Mexico. (Not a condemnation particularly….but is noteworthy.)
K & N is a US company with Very Convincing MARKETING….but actually make filtration-products which using “globally-sourced-mmaterials” which do not filter as well as better brands. (There’s a Reason their air filters pass more air. It’s due to open-porosity and results in Dirty Air.)
You cannot depend on most aftermarket filters to meet the same standards which earned them good reputations in the PAST because they frequently re-source/outsource their mfr’g.
There’s nothing inherently wrong with filters made in Indonesia….IF they have the OEM (Kubota) behind them…. which is the PROOF that Some foreign products can be good quality…..
Unless you are personally willing to de-construct your aftermarket filter for examination … you are relying upon the mfr’r reputation and/or are fooling yourself that it is the same quality as OEM.
Hence, it’s most likely that most aftermarket products DO NOT MEET OEM standards….despite FITMENT promises. (You can screw a Grade-2 bolt made in China into the same fitting on the airplane wing and it certainly may FIT. It will be LOTS CHEAPER to purchase.)
BTW, did you think about the fact your engine filter lives under Full Oil-Pump output Pressure? Do you think that El Cheapo filter with the wasp-nest-paper-thin canister crimped onto that base-plate will hold up to many hours of vibration at 50 psi…??
And that’s where the True-Cost comparison ENDs.
(Having said that….my ’96-era M4700 engine oil is presently being filtered by a LEE L-16 filter I bought 35 years ago at K-Mart. An internet “filter cross-reference” chart says it’s the same as the Kubota filter.….at which point I realized I no longer had to throw it away simply because I no longer had that ‘64 Dodge.)
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Oil filter threads are the filter thread of the oil world. The last three threads debated every imaginable aspect, but someone can't be bothered to read them.
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Apples and apples. I didn't include shipping from Messick's because I buy Kubota filters at the local Kubota dealer which is basically the same as Messick's prices, and MT has no sales tax.
Apples and Oranges. The price comparison Still Failed to include the shipping (or break it out) from Messicks.
It also reveals your Kubota dealer may be over-charging for the filters….if compared to my Kubota dealer. The identical filter from my K-dealer is about 20% less in total cost than Messicks …due to the shipping. (actual % depends on which exact product)
I believe Messicks would do a lot better if they’d adopt in internal-shipping policy when pricing their parts. I think I detect an almost universal avoidance of buying from online retailers to Add shipping to the invoice instead of absorbing it…even if it means slight increase in price, because buyers simply “fall“ for that “free shipping” B..S.
Another matter re: shipping is a thorn-in-my-side: Retailers who will not allow the customer to determine Shipping-Method. So many sellers Insist on Fed-Ex….who 75% of the time FAIL to even deliver to the correct rural address (largely because they use contractors rurally instead of genuine Fed-Ex drivers.) I’ve begun to insist on product-replacement when that occurs out where I live because of their Faiures.
I used to go looking for the pkg and often found it on the country road…. or over the fence in a nearby pasture…. or delivered to a neighbor. I quit doing that and now demand product replacement EVEN IF THE NEIGHBOR LATER HANDS IT TO ME. (which is most-rare … out here, neighbors can be miles away and not even know each other.)
The law allows a pkg delivered to You…. regardless of whether you are the intended recipient…to KEEP the pkg. I’ve QUIT (re)delivering for Fed-Ex and keep or donate to charity what they incorrectly deliver to me.
I’ve got TWO, expensive welded-pipe rear bumpers for a pickup truck I no longer own because of Fed-Ex failed deliveries.
1st- Shipper REQUIRES a fork-lift by recipient to off-load it.… which I have…. BUT the Fed-Ex driver DUMPED the entire pallet onto the county-road a half-mile-away outside my security gate rather than USE the Security-Code PRINTED on the Delivery-Address Label.
So I called seller…and they had another sent.
2nd-Fed-Ex driver also Dumped it OUTside but AT the gate a half-mile away. Although I found it…. I am Tired of this…so I called the seller and again asked for proof of delivery. They shipped a THIRD bumper via an over-the-road-express truck…which backed up to my hangar and I unloaded it with my forks. I installed it that next day.
The First Two bumpers went unclaimed for almost 3 weeks… laying outside my property or on the county road. I finally picked them up and they’re still in their fractured pallets sitting outside my barn. This was two years ago and Fed-Ex FINALLY began shipping using Fed-Ex Drivers…. and my purchases actually do arrive properly.
Fed-Ex is a slow learner. (PS: Those drivers have no interest in picking up those bumpers. I’ll likely donate them to GoodWill or other if the scrap yard doesn’t want them.) Yea… I know. I was being a bit of a “jerk” doing it that way. But I Finally got them to actually DELIVER when I paid for delivery!
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I don't know what point you're trying to make.Apples and Oranges. The price comparison Still Failed to include the shipping (or break it out) from Messicks.
It also reveals your Kubota dealer may be over-charging for the filters….if compared to my Kubota dealer. The identical filter from my K-dealer is about 20% less in total cost than Messicks …due to the shipping. (actual % depends on which exact product)
Here are the actual prices from my local Kubota dealer for the MX filters. The real-world price difference from ordering WIX filters from Amazon to buying Kubota filters locally is $141.88 vs. $161.43 or $19.55. I can pick up the filters locally without any wait too.
Local Dealer
Oil filter: HH164-32430 $14.78
Hydraulic filter: HHTA0-37710 $61.02
Transmission filter: HHTA0-59900 $85.63
Total: $161.43
Here are the prices from Messicks for the same filters.
Messicks
Oil filter: HH164-32430 $15.74
Hydraulic filter: HHTA0-37710 $61.63
Transmission filter: HHTA0-59900 $86.69
Shipping via FedEx: $16.75
Total: $180.81
Well, your position on this seems to be changing. Previously I thought you were comparing Kubota filters from your local dealer to Kubota filters from Messicks…and I was pointing out the shipping you didn’t mention.
HOwever, …NOW…you truly ARE comparing Apples to Oranges…. You are comparing Kubota filters from your dealer….. to WIX filters from Amazon…but priced filters from Messicks.
This is Definitely getting “Fruity”.
Nothing has changed and you're confused.
My earlier post was to compare WIX on Amazon to buying Kubota filters from my dealer to make the point that the cost savings are minimal for quality non-OEM filters. That was the whole point of this thread i.e. using non-Kubota filters to save money. I made the point that Messick's prices are similar to my local dealer prices so used Messick's listed prices (without shipping since I don't have to pay shipping locally) and compared that to Amazon's listed prices.
Please at least try to keep up!
No issues here. Local dealer is VERY reasonable. IDK actual cost right now but IIRC in most cases even LESS than the Wally World, NAPA, or other Auto Part stores. I NEVER order stuff like this from Amazon. As there are so many fake items being sold on Amazon in very convincing packaging