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A long bed isn't always long enough either. With the gooseneck trailer connected and the DECKED tool box in the bed, there's no room for either of my JohnDow fuel storage/transfer tanks.

Not sure if we have a lot of dually truck owners here but if you do a lot of towing, they are noticeably much more stable and sure footed compared to SRW. I had a dually many years ago and had forgotten about that benefit, but now that I have SRW and DRW the difference when towing is very obvious.

Pulling the 30 ft gooseneck it occured to me that I have 14 tires in contact with the road! 😂
Well Crap, that reminds me I need new tires this year. 😒
 
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I would love a dually, but the frequency and weight I tow just doesn't justify it currently. Only pulling the B or a car trailer doesn't tax the SRW truck at all. If I really load up the 14k dump trailer, sure, but that's very short trips and very infrequently. The quarry is only 3 miles from my house. Maybe when I grow up, I can be like @McMXi and have bigger toys & better views :D
 
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All joking aside, I started this thread because I've liked trucks and trailers for many, many years and I think it's because I've always been drawn to tools and utility, and a truck and a trailer are both for me. In combination they allow me to do something that would otherwise be impossible and they provide independence, possibility and self-reliance, all of which are important to me. It's sort of like a Jeopardy category of "Things I like that begin with the letter T". Trucks, tractors, trailers, tools, tarps .... you get the idea.

I think many of us have had awful towing experiences at some point or another. My F-250 is a good truck that I drive almost daily, but put 12,000 lb behind it in mountainous Montana country and the stress level goes way up. I'll never forget climbing the long grade heading north out of Missoula when I hauled the new (and much lighter) M6060 on the MidSota trailer from Sheridan, WY back home four years ago. I was in 3rd gear with the accelerator to the floor and maxed out at 55 mph. The speed limit on that hill is 70 mph and I think that was the moment that I felt the need for a more powerful and more capable truck. I went over at least four mountain passes that trip, but it was that hill that did it for me. I've hauled heavy loads with the F-250 and had a bunch of vehicles stacked up behind me and that's not a good feeling. Not being able to maintain the speed limit on a given road while hauling a load is not good in my world.

Picking up 8,000 lb of firewood is a twice a year job and the wood yard is 20 minutes away at most, but hauling my tractors and implements around has become a far more regular occurrence ever since I put an add on Craigslist. I have a manure moving job this weekend at a horse property and will be taking the M6060 over with a box blade on the back. Having a really good truck and trailer to use for the task changes the entire experience. Taking my friend's new tractor to him this past weekend was a great experience because of the F-450 and Kaufman trailer. The L47 on the MidSota trailer (which I sold) behind the F-250 would have been a very different experience.

It was almost 14 months ago when I started a thread re a truck upgrade. I was looking for a truck that could pull around 20,000 lb easily and safely since that's about the combined weight of my M6060, RC3715 folding cutter and a suitable trailer. With all the back and forth and advice from numerous knowledgeable members here, as well as talking with friends and neighbors with Super Duty models, I ended up with a superb truck that checks off every box for me.

 
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I used the Mytee Products "Easy Binder Ratchet Lever Load Binders" again yesterday and I'm still undecided as to whether I like them or not. Two issues come to mind. First off, the "forged in China" hooks don't fit my D-ring tie downs, or at least one doesn't. I need to measure the hooks and D-rings to see where the problem is.

Also, I don't think that they're as good at making incremental changes to chain tension compared to the Peerless binders. The spacing (angle of rotation) between "clicks" is a lot wider compared to the Peerless binders which have close to infinite adjustment so it seems to me that that it's easier to get caught between too loose and too tight with the Easy Binders. I'll have to investigate further but that's where my perception is currently. Yes, there are some nice features such as how quickly the bulk of the tension is achieved, and how fast they release, but that's not the whole story.

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I don't think I would care for that style load binder. For years I ran over center style that's what everyone ran over the road. Been about 15 years ago a friend of mine ran flat bed over the road and pulled into a new customer to unload and they made him leave they wouldn't let anyone on the property that had over the center load binders. Someone had gotten killed on there lot with a over the center binder. He had to go buy ratchet style load binders so he could get unloaded. Ten years ago I got stopped in a DOT check with my skid loader on a trailer and I got a warning ticket for over the center load binders. I only use ratchet style now and buy the good ones with the folding handles.
 

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I used the Mytee Products "Easy Binder Ratchet Lever Load Binders" again yesterday and I'm still undecided as to whether I like them or not. Two issues come to mind. First off, the "forged in China" hooks don't fit my D-ring tie downs, or at least one doesn't. I need to measure the hooks and D-rings to see where the problem is.

Also, I don't think that they're as good at making incremental changes to chain tension compared to the Peerless binders. The spacing (angle of rotation) between "clicks" is a lot wider compared to the Peerless binders which have close to infinite adjustment so it seems to me that that it's easier to get caught between too loose and too tight with the Easy Binders. I'll have to investigate further but that's where my perception is currently. Yes, there are some nice features such as how quickly the bulk of the tension is achieved, and how fast they release, but that's not the whole story.

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...swap one end out for this style to work with D rings.

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Alternatively, I run a length of chain from one side of the trailer to the other with the clevis style hooks. Then use the ez binder to connect machine to chain on each side. The chain should have slack in the middle so you are only putting tension on the chain where its' connected to the D ring. So, a single chain essentially becomes two chains.
 
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I don't think I would care for that style load binder. For years I ran over center style that's what everyone ran over the road. Been about 15 years ago a friend of mine ran flat bed over the road and pulled into a new customer to unload and they made him leave they wouldn't let anyone on the property that had over the center load binders. Someone had gotten killed on there lot with a over the center binder. He had to go buy ratchet style load binders so he could get unloaded. Ten years ago I got stopped in a DOT check with my skid loader on a trailer and I got a warning ticket for over the center load binders. I only use ratchet style now and buy the good ones with the folding handles.
The Easy Binder aren't "over center" in the true sense of the word as it relates to the style of binder you're referring to. This style is more like a come-along.
 

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Alternatively, I run a length of chain from one side of the trailer to the other with the clevis style hooks. Then use the ez binder to connect machine to chain on each side. The chain should have slack in the middle so you are only putting tension on the chain where its' connected to the D ring. So, a single chain essentially becomes two chains.
That's exactly how I chain stuff up using the Peerless binders.

I'll look into the hooks that you show once I've examined the hooks on the end of the Easy Binders. (y)
 
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maybe pick up a few of these...they lock the handle down. I had one bounce open one time, that was enough for me.

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I measured the hook on the Easy Binders, the end that connects to the D-ring and they were around .490" in width. The D-rings are around .510" so a few minutes with a file and now the hooks fit on the D-rings. I'll mostly likely order some short sections of chain with large hooks on one end so that I can adapt binders to larger D-rings.

I have some old hooks laying around but probably easier to start fresh and have more useful stuff in the box on the trailer just in case.

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The D-rings are around .510" so a few minutes with a file and now the hooks fit on the D-rings.
Isn't that the equivalent of drilling an 1/8" hole in your ROPS?
The safety police will now void the load rating of your hooks!
:ROFLMAO: :LOL::ROFLMAO::LOL::ROFLMAO::LOL::ROFLMAO:;)
 
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That is why I changed to ratchet style.
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That's why I got the handle locks. They won't go anywhere now.

I understand why people still like the older lever style. However, when I was doing digs frequently I found them to be too time consuming. At the end of a long hot day, I didn't want to deal with them any longer. I still have the "Peerless" variety on my trailer for backup purposes and cam over ones that stay hanging in my garage that will likely never see the light of day again.

I say use whatever works best for your needs.
 
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That is why I changed to ratchet style.

The Easy Binder model is still a ratchet style and not the old cam over type. I greased up the Peerless binders today and will see how I get on with the Easy Binder versions over the coming months. Since I use both I'll be able to get an immediate comparison.
 
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Isn't that the equivalent of drilling an 1/8" hole in your ROPS?
The safety police will now void the load rating of your hooks!
:ROFLMAO: :LOL::ROFLMAO::LOL::ROFLMAO::LOL::ROFLMAO:;)
Yeah, the armchair experts who spend most of their day telling everyone else that they'd do it differently and that their way is better. 😂
 
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