50 hr service question

fng120

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First post and I'm really glad I found this site. I live on 8 acres with about 4 of it woods. Thanks to this site I ordered a BXpanded under armor so I didn't lose my hydro fan. Thanks OTT. :D

I'm coming up on my 50 hr service, 1st time owner of diesel tractor, coming from years of wheel horses. The manual says to change oil, oil filter and trans filter. The dealer told me that I need to change the fluid in the trans also. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I have a BX 2670.
 

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First post and I'm really glad I found this site. I live on 8 acres with about 4 of it woods. Thanks to this site I ordered a BXpanded under armor so I didn't lose my hydro fan. Thanks OTT. :D

I'm coming up on my 50 hr service, 1st time owner of diesel tractor, coming from years of wheel horses. The manual says to change oil, oil filter and trans filter. The dealer told me that I need to change the fluid in the trans also. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I have a BX 2670.
The BX series DOES not require the change of fluid in the tranny, however it use to! Somewhere in the last couple of years, the hydraulic fluid is NOT changed at 50 hours, now if you do, you aint hurtin' nuttin', but I would clean the screen and place S-UDT2 in it !

the tranny filter is a beeauch if you have a MMM on it, and the amount of fluid you lose is not much at all, When I did mine I ended up placing a lot more BACK in than came out to get to the mark on the dipstick.
 

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Bulldog

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Welcome to OTT. This is a question that has a different opinion from almost everyone. I have bought 3 new Kubotas myself and changed the trans fluid out in each of them at 50 hrs. Some say just do the filter but I'm glad I changed mine.

In the long run I believe it's money well spent.
 

dmanlyr

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Well Kubota no longer recommends replacing the trans fluid at 50 hours, and from a logical standpoint, it really makes sense.

Going back to why the fluid is changed in the first place - you change it because it wears out (the additive package gets used up, the base oil should still be good), right? Well in no way is the additive package used up in 50 hours. BUT there might be some left over metal from the production, which is why the filter is recommended to be replaced sooner initially as it sees more of this deluge of machining residue at first - since the filter is straining and filtering the oil, the trans fluid should be "clean" and perfectly serviceable after it leaves the filter.

Now this same scenario does not apply to engine oil for the simple fact that during the ring seat time normally there is more blowby and unburnt fuel getting into and diluting the engine oil. That uses up the additive package in the engine oil faster than normal.

But it is your tractor, do what you feel comfortable with.... remember this though, what we all did 45+ (40+ years professionally) years ago when I first turned wrenches sometimes no longer applies to the current stuff. And yes I am one of those rare old time mechanics that is a comfortable with points and carbs as a computer diagnosis on new stuff, or a old Detroit jimmy diesel and a new DDAC Detroit.

Food for thought - David
 

skeets

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I didn't the first 50, but I will tell you this!!! When you fake the screen out have a BIG clean bucket cause anyone that tells you, that you wont loose, much has got to a lot faster than I am.
I did get some gunk out of the screen metal shaving and such I would have thought the clean up would have gotten it all put, but that's what the screen and filter are for. I ran all the oil that came out though a filter before it went back in, I didn't have the 90 some bucks for a 5 gallon can at the time. Last time out I did it all new SDUT2 and that 5 gallon bucket made me choke up when I got the bill. But yeah do it your self from this comes the knowledge of the workings of your equipment, and when you hear stories, you can just smile and know better
 

Bluegill

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Engine oil/filter and trans filter is what I changed at 50 hrs. Will do the trans fluid with SUDT2 at 400 hours.
 

Dirt Mover

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Gullible / trusting I guess but I tend to believe the manufacturer knows the equipment best. So, at 50 hours I followed the maintenance chart in my owners manual. B3350, got engine oil and filter and transmission filter changed. I agree everyone should do what they feel comfortable with.
DM
 

fng120

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Thanks for the replies guys. I will take it all in and make a decision.
 

zbhover

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I don't know how much truth is in this, but I've been told by a couple people that the hyd. Oil change got bumped up to 400 hrs because of the tier 4 emissions standards. I was told that teir 4 takes oil usage into consideration so the oil change was bumped up to 400 hrs vs 50. Again I don't know how much truth there is to this if any.

My dealer still suggest the 50 hr change and I rather be safe than sorry so I'll do it when the time comes on my b2620.....

I'd be interested to see if anyone else has herd this too.
 

Bulldog

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I've never heard anything about tier 4 engines having anything to do with oil change intervals. Not that it means anything though.

I don't understand this: Why does my manuals say change the tranny fluid @ 50 hrs and now on new tractors it's @ 400 hrs. If it needed changed before why not now? What has changed from then to now? All my new tractors had SUDT fluid from the factory and at 50 hrs the oil was very nasty. It's not just Kubota equipment either. My last 2 new Cat loaders required the fluid to be changed at 50 hrs also. After the first change the trans fluid was good for 1000 hrs and the hyd was 2000 hrs. My Linkbelt trackhoe had to be changed at 50 hrs and then the hyd was rated for 5000 hrs. Our Komatsu equipment had about the same rating as the Cat stuff did.

I would like to know what has been done to extend the fluid life and allow 400 hrs on the first change without hurting the life of the tractor.
 

Bluegill

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I've never heard anything about tier 4 engines having anything to do with oil change intervals. Not that it means anything though.

I don't understand this: Why does my manuals say change the tranny fluid @ 50 hrs and now on new tractors it's @ 400 hrs. If it needed changed before why not now? What has changed from then to now? All my new tractors had SUDT fluid from the factory and at 50 hrs the oil was very nasty. It's not just Kubota equipment either. My last 2 new Cat loaders required the fluid to be changed at 50 hrs also. After the first change the trans fluid was good for 1000 hrs and the hyd was 2000 hrs. My Linkbelt trackhoe had to be changed at 50 hrs and then the hyd was rated for 5000 hrs. Our Komatsu equipment had about the same rating as the Cat stuff did.

I would like to know what has been done to extend the fluid life and allow 400 hrs on the first change without hurting the life of the tractor.
The trans fluid in my L3800 was crystal clear Clean at 50 hours. :cool:
 

dmanlyr

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I've never heard anything about tier 4 engines having anything to do with oil change intervals. Not that it means anything though.

I don't understand this: Why does my manuals say change the tranny fluid @ 50 hrs and now on new tractors it's @ 400 hrs. If it needed changed before why not now? What has changed from then to now? All my new tractors had SUDT fluid from the factory and at 50 hrs the oil was very nasty. It's not just Kubota equipment either. My last 2 new Cat loaders required the fluid to be changed at 50 hrs also. After the first change the trans fluid was good for 1000 hrs and the hyd was 2000 hrs. My Linkbelt trackhoe had to be changed at 50 hrs and then the hyd was rated for 5000 hrs. Our Komatsu equipment had about the same rating as the Cat stuff did.

I would like to know what has been done to extend the fluid life and allow 400 hrs on the first change without hurting the life of the tractor.
Things do change. I doubt anything internal has changed per say, other than additional testing, or perhaps the oil change interval has finally caught up with the improved SUDT. Sometimes companies are slow to revise there manuals, recommendations etc. One example is the dipstick, they have changed it at least once on the same model, without any mention in the owners or service manual.

Perhaps with the inclusion of a magnet and improved filtration, it rendered the first transmission oil change redundant.

The main point is that things and recommendations do change. I remember when it was normal to change the engine oil in a car every 1000 to 2000 miles, not so anymore. Before detergent oils, a 500 mile oil change was normal.

But the bottom line is that it is each of ours tractors, and we have to maintain them as we feel is best, maintenance schedules are RECOMMENDED only, not cast in stone, and to add, they have to be entire market compatible, one maintenance schedule covers all of America for example, but all across the continent the operating conditions vary considerably, which will affect maintenance needs.

That said, it is ok to change oil more often than recommended, won't hurt a thing, other than wear out the threads on the drain plug faster. Might lighten one's wallet somewhat as well. But each to there own.

The fleet that I manage and maintain (40+ years now, marine, from the smallest outboards up thru DD 16v92's) I taylor the maintenance schedule to the weather and usage conditions in the pacific northwest, and that means I do things differently than what might be done in a exclusively fresh water area, or say Florida where the water temp is considerably higher. Some things I let go considerably longer than "recommended" other things are serviced more often than "recommended".

David