Reviving An Old Acquaintance Buried In The Pole Barn

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Background…

When I was a kid, my Dad had a project to replace the derelict fence to revive a pasture for cows. It was at the old place, and my fuzzy kid memory figures the size at about 30 acres. Most of it was a grass field that had been cut for hay for many years. It also included wooded areas and a creek so they’d have water and shade. He used trees for posts where he could. Used eastern red cedar posts cut off the property where posts were needed. Of course I and my brother (5 years my senior) were involved.

I was probably 9 or 10. I’d been driving the 9N for about a year but hadn’t run any PTO implements. To dig all those holes for those cedar posts, Dad bought a 3 point auger for the 9N. I don’t know if he bought it new or used, but I know it would be out of character for him to have bought anything that wasn’t at least half worn out.

There are a variety of tasks involved in cutting fence posts, installing fence posts, and installing barbed wire. At the age I was, I was physically capable of some of them, but not all. One job I was capable of was operating the tractor so that auger was my first experience with a PTO implement.

It never had a guard of any sort on it. My father gave me a two minute speech explaining if engine of the tractor was running and you got near the PTO shaft, it would catch you. If you were lucky, it would pull your arm off. If you weren’t lucky, it would ring you out like a big, bloody dishrag. He also reminded me the “throttle” was actually setting the RPM for a governor so even if it was idling no matter how strong you were or how much you fought, it would just keep feeding the engine more fuel until it finished ripping you apart. That was pretty clear and easily understood even for a dumb kid like me. I actually didn’t know PTO shields existed until I got a summer job that included bush hogging for a small utility company.

And yes, sometimes we had to push down on the auger to get it to bite in. *Do not recommend.* I wasn’t heavy enough to push it. Part of my job as operator was to keep my left foot hovering over the clutch pedal while staring at the auger. If it caught a root and started corkscrewing to China or some one or something got caught in the auger or PTO I was to hit the clutch to stop it. No one ever got caught in anything, but I had plenty of opportunity to practice emergency stops with rocks and roots.

After that project, we used it a few times, but for two or three holes it was easier to punch them with the standard clamshell manual posthole diggers.

I grew up and moved away. A few years after, Dad sold the farm and moved to the place we are now. He brought all his tractor implements with him, including the auger. Couple years after he moved, he built a pole shed to store pole shed type stuff. By that time, my wife and I were living one town over so I had the privilege of helping with the pole shed. That’s the last time I’m aware of it being used, and that was 37 years ago.

I’d seen the boom part of it a few times when looking for other stuff in the shed. Hadn’t seen the gearbox or drill part since the shed was built. Asked about it a couple years before Dad passed because it would have been nice to have for a landscaping project, but he said the cutting edges on the drill were worn out so it was useless without a new drill as the cutting edges weren’t replaceable. Hadn’t thought about it since.
 
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Yesterday, wife and I bought three little ornamental trees to plant in front of our house where my Dad’s garden used to be. We set them out where we wanted them planted, but it was getting late so we decided to plant them today. We were outside when the mailman pulled up with a package and got to talking to him for a bit. He was being funny, asking us why folks with acres and acres of trees were planting trees. Told him this was one of those times it sure would have been nice if I’d bought the backhoe when I got the Kubota. He said, “Or an auger”. Wife said, well your brother offered to give you his that he dug two holes with and then decided he needed a fancy post driver. Told her there’s no fun in that. I think there might still be an antique buried in the shed somewhere. Either needs to be resurrected to a functioning auger or hauled off for scrap.

Thus today…
 
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Not long ago, in another thread, someone told me my L4701 looks like 💩. I got a laugh out of it. But if you want to see some stuff that really looks like clapped out 💩, here you go. There’s actually no trash in here but most of it is old and not exactly pretty. Remarkably, the boom is visible in this photo. IMG_8202.jpeg
Leaning against the wall just left of the boat. At least part of the target has been acquired. IMG_8203.jpeg
Tires were low on the boat trailer and flat on the wood splitter. Wood splitter is in the way of getting the boat out. Boat is in the way of getting to the auger boom. Portable air compressor, small generator, and a jack got all that fixed up. IMG_8205.jpeg
It’s all there behind the stairs to nowhere. A few spiders are going to need a new home shortly. IMG_8206.jpeg
First time it’s seen the sun since I don’t know when. Apparently the cutting edges on the drill part did wear out at some point, but it’s also apparent Dad ran a couple beads of hard face across them and ground an edge back on them, so they look perfectly functional to me. Now just need to wrangle up some patience to see if I can get this thing together. IMG_8207.jpeg
 

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Well, a L4701 ain’t a 9N (thank goodness). Couple of relatively minor issues.

First off, the handle that attaches to the gearbox was too long. It was hitting the ROPS and the rear remotes. My fabrication skills are minimal, but even I can wack off a pipe with a Sawzall. A bit of deburring and it works swell. IMG_8221.jpeg
Then this PTO shaft. I’m thinking what in the wide world of antique farm equipment is going on with this PTO shaft. It’s the PTO version of “just the tip”. And it uses a cross bolt to hold it on instead of the now normal button or collar that engages the groove. IMG_8218.jpeg
Cross bolt was still in it when I got it out of the shed. Of course I had to take it out to get the yoke on the tractor. After a bit of thought, remembered the 9N had the groove but also had a through hole further back for this type yoke. My L doesn’t have the through hole in the PTO stub.

Maybe I could drill a hole in the PTO stub on the tractor? That was a joke. That ain’t happening. IMG_8219.jpeg Also: what happened to the shield on this thing? I don’t think it ever had a shield. The grooves on each end for the bearings on the shield aren’t present. I don’t know when PTO shields became a thing, but it appears it was after this thing was cobbled together from a differential off a junk car. IMG_8211.jpeg
Despite a few issues got it all together and greased up good. Pressure washed it to get the dust and spider webs off it.

Don’t have the PTO to tractor connection fully worked out, but had to tap it lightly to get it on, so maybe it will hold on for three holes in a field where there are no rocks or roots? We’ll see… IMG_8214.jpeg
 
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Got the three new trees planted. It worked fine except the PTO shaft kept coming off when lifting out of the hole. Not exactly shocking, but it made it tough to get the hole cleaned out. It worked in an old garden but wouldn’t be competent in more challenging ground, so I have to solve for it to avoid the scrap pile. IMG_6947.jpeg IMG_8217.jpeg
Right now, it’s sitting in the shop with the point on a board in the bottom of a wash tub. Initially it was leaking gear oil. Don’t know how much will come out and don’t want it all over the floor. If it all runs out, will replace with corn head grease. IMG_8220.jpeg
I’m sure some here would fix it by cutting off the obsolete end and welding on something compatible with the tractor. I’m not that skilled. My current thought is a PTO extender with the requisite hole. Apparently they’re available on Amazon. Haven’t researched much, though. Will check the over run clutch on the Farmall. If it has the hole, I’ll just use it. Don’t need the over run function but if it has the hole, it should work. Below is an example of the style I need. IMG_8229.jpeg
I suspect I’d use this thing very rarely even if it works perfectly. I’ll still have to find a better place for it than where it was if I can resolve the PTO connection issue. Would be kind of nice to have it back.
 
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That looks DANGEROUS!!!!

I like it ;) (y) (y)

Certainly better than a shovel!!!

I like the “hook” on the back. Good for hanging some weight on the back I suppose?


Without a welder, I am unsure of how to solve your connection problem though?

One thing I would be concerned with is: Every “adaptor” you add will change the angle of the drive shaft, so just keep that in mind. 🤷‍♂️

Good luck sir!
 
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The gear box on the digger is actually the salvaged center section of a Chrysler 8-3/4" rear axle. Probably from the 1950s. Probably has 2.76 gears in it.

Appropos of nothing. Except that salvaged Chrysler 8-3/4" rear axles were often repurposed by budding manufacturers. The "Pennsyvlania Panzer" garden tractor is a notable example...
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That looks DANGEROUS!!!!

I like it ;) (y) (y)

Certainly better than a shovel!!!

I like the “hook” on the back. Good for hanging some weight on the back I suppose?


Without a welder, I am unsure of how to solve your connection problem though?

One thing I would be concerned with is: Every “adaptor” you add will change the angle of the drive shaft, so just keep that in mind. 🤷‍♂️

Good luck sir!
Think the hook is for alternative use as a boom pole without the gearbox, etc.
 
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The gear box on the digger is actually the salvaged center section of a Chrysler 8-3/4" rear axle. Probably from the 1950s. Probably has 2.76 gears in it.

Appropos of nothing. Except that salvaged Chrysler 8-3/4" rear axles were often repurposed by budding manufacturers. The "Pennsyvlania Panzer" garden tractor is a notable example...
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-Paul
Speaking of Pennsylvania Panzers, there’s one of those on the other end of that same pole shed. For several years, it wasn’t running. Couple years ago, I got it running just because non-functional items bother me. Parked it and haven’t moved it since as I have no use for it beyond sentimentality. It was my first lawn mowing experience. Another piece of equipment where safety was way down on the list of design criteria.
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Think the hook is for alternative use as a boom pole without the gearbox, etc.
Exactly. It’s been used much more as a mini-crane behind the 9N and Farmall H (which has an aftermarket 3 point hitch) than as an auger. That’s the main reason I wasn’t confident I’d find the gearbox and drill with the boom.
 

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Got the three new trees planted. It worked fine except the PTO shaft kept coming off when lifting out of the hole. Not exactly shocking, but it made it tough to get the hole cleaned out. It worked in an old garden but wouldn’t be competent in more challenging ground, so I have to solve for it to avoid the scrap pile. View attachment 171436 View attachment 171437
Right now, it’s sitting in the shop with the point on a board in the bottom of a wash tub. Initially it was leaking gear oil. Don’t know how much will come out and don’t want it all over the floor. If it all runs out, will replace with corn head grease. View attachment 171438
I’m sure some here would fix it by cutting off the obsolete end and welding on something compatible with the tractor. I’m not that skilled. My current thought is a PTO extender with the requisite hole. Apparently they’re available on Amazon. Haven’t researched much, though. Will check the over run clutch on the Farmall. If it has the hole, I’ll just use it. Don’t need the over run function but if it has the hole, it should work. Below is an example of the style I need. View attachment 171439
I suspect I’d use this thing very rarely even if it works perfectly. I’ll still have to find a better place for it than where it was if I can resolve the PTO connection issue. Would be kind of nice to have it back.
Agri Supply has some low-cost quick-connect replacement yokes. You'd have to make sure you get the right size to fit your cross.
 
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Careful - one or more NC golf trips are in my 9 month plan 😎

Dan
Give me a heads up when you’re coming. I’ll work up a list of questions on how to increase the functionality of the Rube Goldberg designed hydraulics on the Farmall. It’s one of those things you really have to see to understand. Currently you can use the three point or the loader but not both. Switching between the two is accomplished with a couple of standard 1/2” plumbing valve designed for potable water, which you have to get off the tractor to actuate. 😕
 

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Agri Supply has some low-cost quick-connect replacement yokes. You'd have to make sure you get the right size to fit your cross.
Good thought. If there’s a compatible replacement yoke I believe that would be a better fix than an extension.

I’m thinking my next step is to figure out a good place and means to store it as an auger, maybe without the drill but at least with the pumpkin as that’s a PITA to install by yourself, and I don’t have a need for it as a bare boom pole. After it’s off so I can free up the back of the tractor for other stuff I need to be doing, I can take the tractor half of the PTO shaft into the shop by itself. Hopefully I can then get the yoke cleaned up thoroughly to see how it comes apart (hopefully just normal snap rings but I can’t see them under all the grease even after the quick pressure wash) and get it measured up to see what the options are.

I don’t care to put much money in it because I have only very occasional use for it, but I do need it functional and reasonably accessible if it’s going to keep hanging out here.

Thanks for the idea. 👍
 

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Great story and rescue of the implement. Reminds me of my youth and dad! His favorite saying as he was putting you to work on the tractor was something along the lines of “That tractor wants to kill you, it’s been sitting around just thinking up new ways to rip you apart so don’t be stupid and don’t get killed, your mom would be mad at me! Now get to work.”

Not to be the safety police but… You might just get parts from a newer PTO shaft to replace the front half of that one and maybe add some type of shear pin or slip clutch (and maybe a shield).

You should be able to buy either parts and pieces or a complete new shaft to adapt to the auger.

And please look at the bolts at the rear of your tractor, this one looked loose when I was zooming in! Probably just something with the picture though!
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Give me a heads up when you’re coming. I’ll work up a list of questions on how to increase the functionality of the Rube Goldberg designed hydraulics on the Farmall. It’s one of those things you really have to see to understand. Currently you can use the three point or the loader but not both. Switching between the two is accomplished with a couple of standard 1/2” plumbing valve designed for potable water, which you have to get off the tractor to actuate. 😕
I will certainly give you a heads up. We play all over yhe place - nothing too Kountry for my host Jack Where in the piedmont are you?

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@NCL4701

Great story and rescue of the implement. Reminds me of my youth and dad! His favorite saying as he was putting you to work on the tractor was something along the lines of “That tractor wants to kill you, it’s been sitting around just thinking up new ways to rip you apart so don’t be stupid and don’t get killed, your mom would be mad at me! Now get to work.”

Not to be the safety police but… You might just get parts from a newer PTO shaft to replace the front half of that one and maybe add some type of shear pin or slip clutch (and maybe a shield).

You should be able to buy either parts and pieces or a complete new shaft to adapt to the auger.

And please look at the bolts at the rear of your tractor, this one looked loose when I was zooming in! Probably just something with the picture though!
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The shear pin is the bolt that holds the auger bit on the round output shaft from the gearbox. Yeah, that’s kind of weird to not have it integral to the PTO shaft.

I’ll check the bolt you highlighted. Pretty sure it’s an oddity of the photo, but thanks for pointing it out.

My brother has a Frontier 3 point auger he bought new about 5 years ago, punched a handful of holes in his sandy soil, and then replaced it with a post driver. Of course it has modern shielding and slip clutch. It even has a swell stand for storage. He offered it to me for $0 several months ago mostly to get it out of his barn. If I had plans to drill a bunch of holes or use it more than once in a blue moon, the easiest and cheapest way to get a quality three point auger with modern safety features would be to strap the nearly new Frontier to one of my trailers next time I see him. Unless he sold it, even for occasional use the most logical option would be to scrap the old one and pick up the new one.
 
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