Pulling up hickory trees

SteveF

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Lil Foot a wheel rim sounds even better than a log, the plus of both methods is creating up force where it's needed with the least amount of drag. I'll have to try the rim method, but only for the smaller stumps. Too much fun digging holes and filling them back up!
 

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I'll have to try the rim method, but only for the smaller stumps. Too much fun digging holes and filling them back up!
My feelings exactly!
 

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Lil Foot a wheel rim sounds even better than a log, the plus of both methods is creating up force where it's needed with the least amount of drag. I'll have to try the rim method, but only for the smaller stumps. Too much fun digging holes and filling them back up!
I'm jealous of you backhoe guys! :)

-- Carl
 

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stevef,,, I damaged 2 tailgates because I was stupid. The last one still has the chain marks in it, just to remind me. My neighboe had a mamossa tree, about 5 inches diameter at the ground. We cut the tree down and hooked my super duty to it, after yanking several times, I went back to the shop and got the L235 4x4 kubota. Even with both tractor and truck hooked to that tree stump, I could not get it out. We dug down around it and cut it with a chain saw.
Had a sweet gum, about 14 inches at the ground. A friend was bragging about his old '76 Ford 4x4 with big mudder tires, " I can pull any stump out". We dug down around it about 10 inches and he hooked a chain to it. 2 broken chains and a huge bumper laying on the ground later, he gave up. No more yanking for me....
 

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I'm jealous of you backhoe guys! :)
-- Carl
Yep, and every now & then, all the conditions are perfect and you get the bucket hooked under the stump just right, curl it, and hear the snap crackle pop & that baby pops right out….. really satisfying!
 

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I'd say if your digging out with a backhoe which can be done. Would be to leave 5-8 feet of the truck in tack so you have something to work with and push or pull on for leverage.

Now a days full size track excacators push over whole trees with the stumps coming out of the ground by leaving the tree standing and just pushing over with the boom. Alot of land clearing is done that way.
 

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Was yanking trees before Winter set in up here...

Not sure of the Root strength of Hickory -vs- Ash but the only trick I was using besides topping them at 4-5ft, was the addition of an actual Choke Chain..


I made my own, with an oversized Hook on one end of a 6' 3/8 #43 chain..

I use that to hook up the tree, twice around then set the choke, I hook that to a 30' Tow Chain to the draw bar, I actually made that easier with a nice large loop to slip the chain through, this allows me to take up slack and set everything before I climb back into the seat...
Once it is all set I just yank it right out..

Why the 4-5ft stump??? This allows for the leverage if it is needed, by choking near the top rather then the bottom, but the choking action allows for any placement you want to use...

So far the only issue I have is not having a second person to set the choke :(
 

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I have never tried this or seen it done, but my grandfather told me he pulled hickory trees with his tractor by hooking the chain up high enough in the tree to get it to bend over at the ground. While it was bent, he said he took an axe and hit the back side of the tree at ground level, and as you pulled on the tree it would pull the tap root out of the ground. I don't understand how this would help one bit, but he swore that it worked like a charm. He swore he could pull 8-10" hickory trees with this method with his 70 hp tractor, and that the tap root on the hickory is nearly as long as the tree is tall.

I like the idea mentioned about the truck rim, that method I have used on fence post and it worked well.
 

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Would be to leave 5-8 feet of the truck in tack so you have something to work with and push or pull on for leverage.
Agreed. And I try to leave a stub or two from low hanging branches near the top to to keep the choke chain from slipping off the end of the trunk. That being said, most of the stumps I remove have already been cutoff 1 or 2 feet above the ground, when the area was logged in the early '70s.
 

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Concerning the rim method, I forgot to mention that if the ground is really soft or wet, the rim tends to sink into the dirt when you load it up. A chunk of old plywood or such works well to spread the load.
 

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I usually just dig around the stump itself 6"-8" deep and then cut off the tree below the surface and recover the hole with dirt. I've used this method on much larger trees as well and it keeps me from working too hard, damaging equipment and using a stump grinder.
 

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Use the bucket... Install a hook on the top, back of the bucket, roll the bucket all the way forward pull up to the tree, install a short choker to the base of the tree and roll the bucket back should pull it right out. ;)
 

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On the thought of using levers, this is what is typical for some fence post pullers. You want to make the difference between A and B as much as possible, You could try using the bucket with full load to press the end of the lever down. Perhaps even hinge it to the lip.
 

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I'm taking a cut at what Skeets described in post #8. Some of the trees I want to pull are surrounded by established cover that I'd like to preserve. If I take the tractor in there and dig around it will look like an excavation site by the time I'm done. Running a chain in there will be less destructive, if I can get that approach to work.

-- Carl
 

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If you are breaking chains pulling with a pickup or a small Kubota, you are using WAY WAY WAY TOO small a chain which is dangerous. Always use a chain that is plenty big enough to take the load.
 

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Little Foot: In looking at the various replies, and reviewing the fence post idea, if you want some figures, I can tell you the forces, stresses, etc. having been a civil engineer. The log or wheel ideas transfer the horizontal pull to a vertical pull, but don't give any mechanical advantage. The 3" diameter pipe with a foot on the bottom and "U" does give some advantage. The fence post thing however, can be beefed up by making a simple truss. There is one other idea that I have used many times for pulling stuck vehicles, partly cut trees leaning the wrong way, etc.. It is the old fashioned block and tackle. However, you need an anchor for the end not hooked to the tree. The mechanical advantage is the number of lines that you can count running between the pulleys, also counting the pulling line. With double sheave pulleys, this can be a factor of five. Using nylon rope or similar, be aware when any end, either at the anchor or the stump, breaks, you have a vicious sling shot. So, I manage to keep my pulling tractor away from the direction of the line between the anchor and the stump. Paint the chains bright color, because then they will be easier to find if they break. I have lost a few. If you use a stout tree for the anchor, I use a big wide nylon strap to avoid damage to the tree. If you tie any knots in the rope only use a bow-line, since that is easier to untie. For pulling from the draw bar with rope, I made a cleat to fit there, so no knots are needed. I hope you are aware of the danger of pulling with 3 PT or higher, a back flip is possible.
 

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Ok, I know you guys like pictures so here you go...

First picture is my take on what Skeets described. I've got a 48" section of 2x3x1/8" steel tubing with a base of 1/2" and some 2x1/4" bar at the top for the "U". Let the welding technique critique session begin! :)

Second and third picture are of a tree I tested it on. The diameter of this one was around two inches, and it had over seven feet of root! :eek:

I'm going to make a couple changes. I had problems with it tipping left or right when it got loaded so it needs a wider base, thinking of welding a few foot section of tubing across the top of the foot. If I didn't get the angle right the "U" would slip forward out from underneath the chain, thinking of adding piece of bar stock on edge with a slot I can drop the chain into to eliminate the slip (kind of like a grab hook).

-- Carl



 

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I tell ya what, my L3800DT with 600-800 lb on the 3 point hitch and loaded R1
tires will pull 2" Hickory trees out of the ground.

No, I have not ever done it, but will give it a shot soon. :D
 

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Actually, I don't think the Hickorys here have that long of root,
but we will see...
 
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