L3560 FEL drift and shop HID to LED conversion

[Beebad]

Dumb question: i had the bucket/arms on the kubota raised to about 11:00 if looking at it sideways. I came back hours later and the bucket/arms position changed a little to about 10:30 or so,….. is this expected?

 

[Russell King]

Yes

And you shouldn’t leave the implement up since it could fall violently if the hydraulics failed, or if a couple of children decided to play on the tractor they could be killed by a dropping FEL implement.

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

Proper verbiage will help you down the line:
While you have a L3560, You have a LA805 FEL (Front End Loader).

That's called drift or fall with the FEL, and yes quite normal to have it happen.
And as @Russell King pointed out, NOT a good idea to leave the bucket off the ground when not operating it, a lot of bad things can happen!

 

[Beebad]

Yes

And you shouldn’t leave the implement up since it could fall violently if the hydraulics failed, or if a couple of children decided to play on the tractor they could be killed by a dropping FEL implement.

Thank you. i should have known. Daughter in law school. only the big kid getting into trouble in my shop.

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

WOW High bays are soooooo expensive to run, swap them to LED and you'll save a TON of $$$$.
A good LED will cost less than the bulbs for those and put out 4+ times the light.

 

[Beebad]

WOW High bays are soooooo expensive to run, swap them to LED and you'll save a TON of $$$$.
A good LED will cost less than the bulbs for those and put out 4+ times the light.

The socket is giant…. low voltage circuitry. Could i just stick an LED into this thing?

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

No you would need to pull the high bays and replace the fixture.

I use UFO's for these kinds of situations.

 

[Beebad]

No you would need to pull the high bays and replace the fixture.

I use UFO's for these kinds of situations.

Ye, it is so complicated. Any LED Would have to be able to eork off of the E59 ballast…when the ballast dies another headache….. but the wiring at the switches is like bell wire it’s low-voltage wiring so the entire system is a nightmare. UFO’s?

 

[Russell King]

Ye, it is so complicated. Any LED Would have to be able to eork off of the E59 ballast…when the ballast dies another headache….. but the wiring at the switches is like bell wire it’s low-voltage wiring so the entire system is a nightmare. UFO’s? View attachment 176984

I am no electrician type but I ASSUME that there is some relay being closed by the low voltage wiring, then the light is getting higher voltage delivered by the closed relay.

I believe you can get UFO lights from here (I assume they look like UFOs, thus the name???)

https://www.superbrightleds.com/industrial-led-lighting/led-warehouse-and-led-warehouse-vehicle-lighting/led-high-bay-lighting/ufo-high-bay-lights

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

Ye, it is so complicated. Any LED Would have to be able to eork off of the E59 ballast…when the ballast dies another headache….. but the wiring at the switches is like bell wire it’s low-voltage wiring so the entire system is a nightmare. UFO’s? View attachment 176984

Yea that's not ideal at all.
But it might be workable, you would need to pull the ballast and there will be low and high volt going to the light fixture.
You would use a relay on the low volt side to control the high volt side.
This is just a couple examples of UFO high bay lights.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/8Pack-of-215W-LED-High-Bay-Light-32250LM-High-Bay-LED-Shop-Lights-AC100-277V-Commercial-Bay-Lighting-for-Warehouse-UFO-215B-27-8P/332071224

https://www.ebay.com/itm/389464919736?_skw=ufo+led+high+bay+light&itmmeta=01KXF8C8D2XEF8Z6DCQMP0XSJH&hash=item5aadeb0eb8:g:Qf0AAeSwufRpXifM&itmprp=enc%3AAQALAAAA0GfYFPkwiKCW4ZNSs2u11xBbJOdE7LK2TzIUh8I3oIbf2EedP160waUDsYlVhs7%2BT7voD7Jx225u3cctmeZ8oxBtBr5DAlKGGurDCOwMExvAzgc3iYMtL0b1y%2BZmiAcgoRTwWAdSBCilSDVbo2g67CEJfo3j5lteKZ0dRLnrcVlfhG7FkvDQ%2B2qdJS1JGZOhEma1JMo8eTtLackW6V2ZXwoEU5veHCbRRuVA4emAW7%2FeetF36Q5gd2tTT4Fv5el2M7Ih5wpl4sTeyYADJaqVQC4%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR9iGsejrZw

 

[Beebad]

Yea that's not ideal at all.
But it might be workable, you would need to pull the ballast and there will be low and high volt going to the light fixture.
You would use a relay on the low volt side to control the high volt side.
This is just a couple examples of UFO high bay lights.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/8Pack-of-215W-LED-High-Bay-Light-32250LM-High-Bay-LED-Shop-Lights-AC100-277V-Commercial-Bay-Lighting-for-Warehouse-UFO-215B-27-8P/332071224

https://www.ebay.com/itm/389464919736?_skw=ufo+led+high+bay+light&itmmeta=01KXF8C8D2XEF8Z6DCQMP0XSJH&hash=item5aadeb0eb8:g:Qf0AAeSwufRpXifM&itmprp=enc%3AAQALAAAA0GfYFPkwiKCW4ZNSs2u11xBbJOdE7LK2TzIUh8I3oIbf2EedP160waUDsYlVhs7%2BT7voD7Jx225u3cctmeZ8oxBtBr5DAlKGGurDCOwMExvAzgc3iYMtL0b1y%2BZmiAcgoRTwWAdSBCilSDVbo2g67CEJfo3j5lteKZ0dRLnrcVlfhG7FkvDQ%2B2qdJS1JGZOhEma1JMo8eTtLackW6V2ZXwoEU5veHCbRRuVA4emAW7%2FeetF36Q5gd2tTT4Fv5el2M7Ih5wpl4sTeyYADJaqVQC4%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR9iGsejrZw

Wow …amazing output. I know ihave hijacked my own thread thank you. low voltage to high voltage what a nightmare it is wired this way. No way around it.

 

[TheOldHokie]

Some settling over several hours can result from internal leakage in a hydraulic cylinder or valve. Do not rely on raised arms for support. 1. Lower the loader fully before parking, or fit the manufacturer’s loader support or props. Never work beneath raised arms. 2. With the engine off and controls in neutral, watch for further movement. Slow settling may indicate leakage. Rapid dropping is not normal. 3. Check the cylinder rods, hose fittings, and valve area for wetness. Any oil leakage needs attention. 4. If it drops quickly, drifts with a load, or a cylinder is visibly leaking, stop using it while raised and have the hydraulic system checked. One other place worth checking is https://heavyequipmentfix.com/. Its equipment AI covers repair data, wiring clues, and fault-code information without needing the wording to match exactly.

You must be a bot.

 

[Beebad]

Yea that's not ideal at all.
But it might be workable, you would need to pull the ballast and there will be low and high volt going to the light fixture.
You would use a relay on the low volt side to control the high volt side.
This is just a couple examples of UFO high bay lights.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/8Pack-of-215W-LED-High-Bay-Light-32250LM-High-Bay-LED-Shop-Lights-AC100-277V-Commercial-Bay-Lighting-for-Warehouse-UFO-215B-27-8P/332071224

https://www.ebay.com/itm/389464919736?_skw=ufo+led+high+bay+light&itmmeta=01KXF8C8D2XEF8Z6DCQMP0XSJH&hash=item5aadeb0eb8:g:Qf0AAeSwufRpXifM&itmprp=enc%3AAQALAAAA0GfYFPkwiKCW4ZNSs2u11xBbJOdE7LK2TzIUh8I3oIbf2EedP160waUDsYlVhs7%2BT7voD7Jx225u3cctmeZ8oxBtBr5DAlKGGurDCOwMExvAzgc3iYMtL0b1y%2BZmiAcgoRTwWAdSBCilSDVbo2g67CEJfo3j5lteKZ0dRLnrcVlfhG7FkvDQ%2B2qdJS1JGZOhEma1JMo8eTtLackW6V2ZXwoEU5veHCbRRuVA4emAW7%2FeetF36Q5gd2tTT4Fv5el2M7Ih5wpl4sTeyYADJaqVQC4%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR9iGsejrZw

Here is the big issue i am seeing…..the wall switch is wired in low voltage bell wire and this in turn… controls some sort of low to high voltage interface. i would have to install a 110v outlet and another kind of relay… I will have to go up there and remove one of the white bases and see what is in it,

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

If all of the lights are feed from a single breaker, it might be easier to intercept that line and switch the entire line on and off with a solid state relay instead of trying to do each light.

 

[Beebad]

If all of the lights are feed from a single breaker, it might be easier to intercept that line and switch the entire line on and off with a solid state relay instead of trying to do each light.

Three breakers

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

Three breakers

The electrician that wired all of that did you NO favors!

 

[PoTreeBoy]

Ye, it is so complicated. Any LED Would have to be able to eork off of the E59 ballast…when the ballast dies another headache….. but the wiring at the switches is like bell wire it’s low-voltage wiring so the entire system is a nightmare. UFO’s? View attachment 176984

You need to figure out how those lights are wired. They're not powered by low voltage. If a single switch controls 3 circuits, there may be 3 relays, one per circuit, controlling power to all lights on that circuit. If so, remove the ballast and all up to the power to each fixture, then wire in the new LED fixture. I'm pretty sure 240v, even 277v, LED fixtures are readily available. The existing switch would continue to control the new lights.

First, you'd need to find where the low voltage supply, presumably a transformer, and the relays are located and verify the wiring and protection.

 

[Russell King]

Three breakers

How many low voltage switches are there?

You can look at Super Bright LEDS for industrial lights they have. There are various styles and voltages available. I would assume you could just replace the housings you have now with a similar style fixture without too much difficulty (except for the height they are at).

Added on edit - they also have just bulbs that might work in existing fixtures?

 

[Beebad]

You need to figure out how those lights are wired. They're not powered by low voltage. If a single switch controls 3 circuits, there may be 3 relays, one per circuit, controlling power to all lights on that circuit. If so, remove the ballast and all up to the power to each fixture, then wire in the new LED fixture. I'm pretty sure 240v, even 277v, LED fixtures are readily available. The existing switch would continue to control the new lights.

First, you'd need to find where the low voltage supply, presumably a transformer, and the relays are located and verify the wiring and protection.

I am going in through the trap door and J noticed the one light is right there, j will know what is what tomorrow.

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

How many low voltage switches are there?

You can look at Super Bright LEDS for industrial lights they have. There are various styles and voltages available. I would assume you could just replace the housings you have now with a similar style fixture without too much difficulty (except for the height they are at).

Added on edit - they also have just bulbs that might work in existing fixtures?

LED retrofit bulbs require you to remove the ballast and direct wire the fixture.