Pricing Question

[CopperYard]

I just got a quote on an MX4900HST with the following implements:

MX4900HST - $37,200
Rotary Cutter - RCR1872 - $3,500
Box Blade- BB2572 - $1,900
3rd function valve - $1,900 includes install
Grappler- SCG1060 - $4,200

Everything is priced out separately, but total ends up being $48,700. Is this a decent deal? Looks below MSRP on the site.

 

[Caden]

Welcome to OTT.

It seems alright to me. If you say it's priced separately, giving us the individual prices might allow us to give you a better answer.

That said, I can't really imagine paying that for a tractor and implements, I buy most everything of mine secondhand so I'm a little out of my element here.

 

[CopperYard]

Welcome to OTT.

It seems alright to me. If you say it's priced separately, giving us the individual prices might allow us to give you a better answer.

That said, I can't really imagine paying that for a tractor and implements, I buy most everything of mine secondhand so I'm a little out of my element here.

Thanks! Just updated breakdown. Why do you choose secondhand vs new?

 

[GrumpyFarmer]

Good day.

MX is an awesome machine (I might be very biased)

I really don’t know current prices but that doesn’t seem bad…is that a delivered price? Does that price include the loader and bucket? If I were worried about the price being a good deal or not, I would call another dealer or two for a price (I like checking three and see where they are at). Personally if planning to have the dealer do service I think that is more important to shop their service. Do you have any idea if that is a reputable and easy to work with dealer?

what’s the comparable price on an MX6000?

regarding the grapple, LP offers good stuff IMO, but to me that seems proud compared to some other brands. It might be worth while to price a couple other brands unless you are dead set on LP. (Ie. EA or Catawba…I am biased towards The EA and Landpride but I think Catawba is worth a look)…if you are shopping around at EA or wherever I’d price their Boxblades as well just to see what type of difference)

happy shopping.

 

[Caden]

Based on the prices you listed - could you find cheaper implements? Likely. Is it a good price for what you are getting? Seems like it.

As @GrumpyFarmer mentioned, does the tractor come with a bucket, and 3 point hitch?

Why do you choose secondhand vs new?

To be clear I'm not telling you to buy one or the other, but my reasoning is this:

Obviously its better to have a brand new machine that you know the maintenance history of. That said I don't have that kind of money, so secondhand is what I know. There are a lot of people out there who buy tractors like these with a lot of attachments and after 30 or 40 hours they realize it's not really what they wanted or sell their property etc. Then they go up for sale at a large depreciation. At least in my area I see this kind of a lot.

My little old tractor with a handful of attachments cost me about $500 altogether. Just needed a little work.

 

[CopperYard]

Good day.

MX is an awesome machine (I might be very biased)

I really don’t know current prices but that doesn’t seem bad…is that a delivered price? Does that price include the loader and bucket? If I were worried about the price being a good deal or not, I would call another dealer or two for a price (I like checking three and see where they are at). Personally if planning to have the dealer do service I think that is more important to shop their service. Do you have any idea if that is a reputable and easy to work with dealer?

what’s the comparable price on an MX6000?

regarding the grapple, LP offers good stuff IMO, but to me that seems proud compared to some other brands. It might be worth while to price a couple other brands unless you are dead set on LP. (Ie. EA or Catawba…I am biased towards The EA and Landpride but I think Catawba is worth a look)…if you are shopping around at EA or wherever I’d price their Boxblades as well just to see what type of difference)

happy shopping.

That price does include a loader and a bucket as well as free delivery as I only live 15 mins or so from dealer. To give some context, we own 15 acres that was all timber. We cleared three of it to start on a shop (we moved from two hours away). Now that we have lived here for a couple of months, we are wanting to clear the rest of the land for cattle. There’s a bunch of work to be done. I was originally looking at a smaller tractor, but heard everyone say that you always want to go bigger - which is why I moved to the MX series. Lots of moving dirt, would need a rock bucket to sift through rocks, grapple for cleaning up tree limbs and bush hog to keep it clean when it’s all said and done. I just wanted some other people opinions to make sure I was thinking about it all correctly.

 

[PaulL]

I have an MX on 15 acres in NZ. Our land is pretty dry, and the MX is perhaps a size too large given the grass is sparse and not a lot of trees. But it does the driveway well, and I'd rather be one size too large than one size too small. The MX is good buying - a lot of metal for your money. The higher HP L size really aren't much cheaper.

 

[biketopia]

I think you're on the right track, size and price-wise. Are you looking to bundle everything at once so you can finance the whole deal, or are you paying cash, or does it matter? I ask because I think you can do better on the grapple and likely the rotary cutter, shopping around a bit, even new from another dealer or company. A 60" grapple with similar specs to the LP is $1200 less from Catawba. https://cattachments.com/product/ca...achment-for-tractor-with-high-strength-steel/
If you could save a few on implments would it let you go to the next HP up from the MX4900, more power in the same size machine? Also, there are tuning outfits if you don't mind voiding the warranty that will really wake up your MX, @McMXi has done his fair share of M and MX work.

 

[PoTreeBoy]

I just got a quote on an MX4900HST with the following implements:

MX4900HST - $37,200
Rotary Cutter - RCR1872 - $3,500
Box Blade- BB2572 - $1,900
3rd function valve - $1,900 includes install
Grappler- SCG1060 - $4,200

Everything is priced out separately, but total ends up being $48,700. Is this a decent deal? Looks below MSRP on the site.

That looks like a good combination. The MX series has always seemed like a good utility class tractor. There are lighter and cheaper implements available, but those seem reasonable for that machine. I bought an SGC1060 two years ago, paid $4,000. I've put it to good use lately, it would be a good match, assuming a claw-type is what you want.

 

[McMXi]

I just got a quote on an MX4900HST with the following implements:

MX4900HST - $37,200
Rotary Cutter - RCR1872 - $3,500
Box Blade- BB2572 - $1,900
3rd function valve - $1,900 includes install
Grappler- SCG1060 - $4,200

Everything is priced out separately, but total ends up being $48,700. Is this a decent deal? Looks below MSRP on the site.

I'm also a fan of the MX series tractors having owned an MX6000HST for 15 months and an MX6000HSTC for almost 5 years.

$1,900 for the 3rd function is expensive. You can buy the Kubota kit from your dealer for around $1,250 and it's not a particularly difficult installation.

https://www.messicks.com/parts/landpride/380-331A

I would pass on the grapple and buy from any number of decent US manufacturers such as Catawba, Everything Attachments, Homestead, IronCraft, etc.

I really like the 4-cylinder engine in the MX tractors and it's the same engine in all three models but with different programming in the ECU. You can change that and get all of the available hp along with some other upgrades, but as was mentioned, there are warranty implications.

 

[CopperYard]

I'm also a fan of the MX series tractors having owned an MX6000HST for 15 months and an MX6000HSTC for almost 5 years.

$1,900 for the 3rd function is expensive. You can buy the Kubota kit from your dealer for around $1,250 and it's not a particularly difficult installation.

https://www.messicks.com/parts/landpride/380-331A

I would pass on the grapple and buy from any number of decent US manufacturers such as Catawba, Everything Attachments, Homestead, IronCraft, etc.

I really like the 4-cylinder engine in the MX tractors and it's the same engine in all three models but with different programming in the ECU. You can change that and get all of the available hp along with some other upgrades, but as was mentioned, there are warranty implications.

I decided to pass on the grapple and order one elsewhere. That’s good info. So the MX4900 has the same engine as the MX6000, but they just change the tune of the engine? So I could buy the 4900 and spend some money to get the engine tuned to where I have a 6000, it would just void warranty?? That’s wild

 

[biketopia]

I decided to pass on the grapple and order one elsewhere. That’s good info. So the MX4900 has the same engine as the MX6000, but they just change the tune of the engine? So I could buy the 4900 and spend some money to get the engine tuned to where I have a 6000, it would just void warranty?? That’s wild

You would be doing what those in the diesel pick-up world call "weight loss." You'd tune it and remove the DPF, unlocking greater HP and Torque for both the tractor and PTO; however, it does not do anything for loader capacity or lifting force, just FYI. Once it's done, there's no going back but there's really no reason to go back. You could strike up a casual conversation with the service department at your dealer to see if they'd void your whole warranty or try to work with you.

 

[McMXi]

I decided to pass on the grapple and order one elsewhere. That’s good info. So the MX4900 has the same engine as the MX6000, but they just change the tune of the engine? So I could buy the 4900 and spend some money to get the engine tuned to where I have a 6000, it would just void warranty?? That’s wild

The engine is the V2403CR-T which is the 2.4L 4-cylinder engine. When I upgraded my MX there was no option to increase the hp, since according to the company I selected, the output for the MX6000 is already at or close to max. I'm sure some work could be done such as injectors and turbo if someone were motivated but I don't feel that it's needed. I picked up a few extra hp in other ways but that wasn't my objective with the other upgrades. Overall I'm more than ok with how the tractor runs and the power is more than good enough for what I need.

I like Kubota's 3rd function kits but the price you were quoted is high. Admittedly I had the 3rd function installed by the local dealer almost 5 years ago, but it was $1,250 installed.

 

[McMXi]

Once it's done, there's no going back but there's really no reason to go back. You could strike up a casual conversation with the service department at your dealer to see if they'd void your whole warranty or try to work with you.

That's not quite true. The DPF system and exhaust could be reinstalled and a new ECU purchased (around $900) or the original ECU reflashed. Perhaps not a cheap way to go but an option nonetheless.

The M6060/M7060 is a much easier animal to work with since a programmer is offered which allows the owner to save the factory program and write a new program to the ECU. The ECU reflash can be reversed if needed. That tractor could be returned to original in under an hour ... assuming that you keep everything that has been removed.

 

[Scottly]

I think the tractor you are looking at will run out of weight before it does power.

I have put 100 hours or more on a friend's MX5200.
Front end loader, 72' brush hog, 72" box blade, stump grinder and post hole digger.
It's a beast, but very easy to lift a rear wheel off the ground. The rears are loaded with fluid, but a full bucket of gravel will let you know she's light in the rear. We always have an attachment on the rear for counterweight.
Super tractors though.

 

[MOOTS]

Lots of good information already in here.
I picked up a 125hr rops Mx6000 in ‘20 or ‘21 just before the supply problems showed up in the tractor world. $33,500 and guy delivered it over an hour away. MSRP at the time was about $40k if memory serves. He moved up to a M or M4. Don’t count out used as it can save some money.

As for the land clearing, they can do it but aren’t dozers. May be beneficial to have acreage cleared and then upkeep with tractor.
And the 1065 loader is strong and will pick up rear end with ease. My tires are loaded, 3 sets of weights and set to their almost widest position, with a 700lb+ box blade on 3 point I can pickup a tire with ease. 990lb tiller almost stops it. Just be aware.

I think you’ll like the mx.

 

[biketopia]

That's not quite true. The DPF system and exhaust could be reinstalled and a new ECU purchased (around $900) or the original ECU reflashed. Perhaps not a cheap way to go but an option nonetheless.

The M6060/M7060 is a much easier animal to work with since a programmer is offered which allows the owner to save the factory program and write a new program to the ECU. The ECU reflash can be reversed if needed. That tractor could be returned to original in under an hour ... assuming that you keep everything that has been removed.

My "no going back " comment was based on my experiences in the automotive world. Modern ECUs timestamp and track everything. Just because you re-flashed it back to stock and reinstalled the DPF does not make it untraceable. Most will store a log of the ECU flashes, the number of regens, etc. Kubota will likely ask for that kind of information during an engine or powertrain warranty claim. If it doesn't match what the service history and hours indicate, they'll likely flag the machine.

 

[McMXi]

My "no going back " comment was based on my experiences in the automotive world. Modern ECUs timestamp and track everything. Just because you re-flashed it back to stock and reinstalled the DPF does not make it untraceable. Most will store a log of the ECU flashes, the number of regens, etc. Kubota will likely ask for that kind of information during an engine or powertrain warranty claim. If it doesn't match what the service history and hours indicate, they'll likely flag the machine.

I don't know if the ECUs in Kubota tractors log ECU flashes, keep track of the number of regens etc., but a new ECU wouldn't have any of that information. A call to Reimer Tuning in Canada would provide answers I'm sure.

Of course, all of this is moot once the tractor is out of warranty, and I've made the point before that these upgrades actually improve reliability, not reduce it. Putting a stop to EGR is always a good thing.

 

[biketopia]

I don't know if the ECUs in Kubota tractors log ECU flashes, keep track of the number of regens etc., but a new ECU wouldn't have any of that information. A call to Reimer Tuning in Canada would provide answers I'm sure.

Of course, all of this is moot once the tractor is out of warranty, and I've made the point before that these upgrades actually improve reliability, not reduce it. Putting a stop to EGR is always a good thing.

Absolutely! I'm kind of surprised your F-450 hasn't had a GLP-1 shot yet